Posted on 03/19/2006 6:25:15 PM PST by whispering out loud
This is something God showed me through the scriptures, which has really helped me to understand who God is, in all of is person. Firstly we know that God is three in his manifestation through God the Father, Jesus the Son, the Holy Spirit. We also know that God is one, Jesus said in his word “The Father and I are one”, He also said, “If you’ve seen me, you’ve also seen my father who is in heaven”. So God is three, and God is one, how can this be?
God helped me to understand this first by helping me understand that man is a three fold being, being body mind and spirit. Our mind being the controlling unit, it is our mind that bids us to do the things we do. Our body is the physical action part of our being we can do no physical action apart from our bodies, no mater how hard our mind wills it. Our spirit is our essence, it is the eternal part of us, as well as the part that ministers to and comforts others. Each of these three parts having their own individual functions, work together to accomplish the same goal.
Secondly God helped me to remember that we are created in the image and likeness of this same God. That being said God the Father is the mind, “the controlling unit” God (the trinity) does nothing apart from the will of the Father, see John 5:30, and Matt 26:42. Just as God the Father is the mind, Jesus is the body. He is the action part of God no physical action took place ever without Him. Even in creation he was present, in John chapter 1 He was called the word, and it was said that nothing was created without him. In Genesis and the creation account, God spoke the world into existence we speak words. Jesus was the words God spoke in the creation of the world making him the action part of creation. Jesus was also the action part of salvation apart from his death and resurrection we would have no hope of salvation. The Holy Spirit is somewhat self explanatory, he is the essence of God Jesus called him the comforter. Also present in the creation, Genesis 1:2 says, “The spirit of God moved upon the faces of the waters”.
Putting this together, The Trinity of God is three parts of one God, each having their own function yet working together to complete one divine purpose. The trinity was present in creation in all of its members, and the trinity is in full effect today. I hope this helps you as much as it helped me when God showed me. Just a little extra something for you, and this one’s free. We know that God cannot lie it is against His nature, but some food for thought. God’s word is so powerful that even if He could lie, the moment it left his lips, it would become truth. So even if he could lie, he still couldn’t lie.
My wife of 42 years and I are one also (Gen 2:24) but that does not keep us from being separate entities.
"Whatever, the trinity is a modern resurrection of Baal worship."
Care to explain that?
"Whatever, the trinity is a modern resurrection of Baal worship."
Care to explain that?
The normal routine that is used to explain the "difficult and confusing" doctrines of men usually involves one verse of scripture (if you're lucky) and then 10 paragraphs of "explanation". Sort of like most sermons.
>>>"The Torah-free zone is the church."
Isn't that the truth. I had a pastor of a local Baptist church coming by to invite me to his church. He was a very nice man who walked-the-walk. He used to be a missionary in Haiti. I was encouraged and was thinking about going to a service but when I asked if they ever studied the OT he bluntly said no. I don't get it. What do these people think is meant by the term "scriptures" in the NT?
Paul said that there is one God and one mediator between men and God the MAN Christ Jesus;
God is not a man that he should lie nor the son of man that he should repent;
Jesus is repeatedly called the Son of Man to empahsize his humanity;
God is spirit and no man has seen God at any time; Jesus came in the flesh (in as entirely and wholely in) and was viisble;
God is the Father of Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God; God did not die on the cross, Jesus did not resurrect himself nor did he raise himself to sit at his own right hand.
Look in Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God [is] one LORD:
The Lord God is not three, but one!
Mar 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments [is], Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
Gal 3:20 Now a mediator is not [a mediator] of one, but God is one.
Anyone who claims that God is three is openly and blatantly defying scripture, the words of God and the words of Jesus.
Jesus had a separate will from God...not my will but thine be done...which also shows that he is not God.
Jesus is not God and God is not Jesus.
The Baalim was the satanic counterfeit of Jehova worship. It fooled Israel left and right. It was idolotry.
The scriptures expose it for what it was, but it was not so easily discerned by those there at the time, just as trinitarian doctrine fools many today.
Just the word trinity rules out monotheism. Three cannot be one. It is insanity to insist for it to be such.
Get a Youngs and do a word study of Baal and derivatieves. You'll see that he was the lord/master of many things.
Look at Jehova and you'll also see that God Almighty described His relationship with Israel by different names...Lord of Hosts, Lord of Peace, Lord that Provides, Lord that Heals, etc.
BUT THE LORD GOD IS ONE LORD, ONE GOD!!!
The Baalim was the satanic counterfeit and always uses the definate article "the" just as "the" trinity does.
And when one looks at how trinintarian doctrine ignores and twists scriptures and defies logic, it isn't hard to see that the baalim = the trinity.
When the Bible says "God" it means God. When is says "Jesus" it means Jesus.
They are two separate entities that share a purpose and to the extent that Jesus submits himself to God, they share a will.
Jesus so completely represented God to those with him that he was ablet to say that if you have seen me you have seen the Father.
Pretty simple concept; when I represent my employer, others don't need to see the Boss...I am sent to do his bidding and have his authority as long as I act in his will.
Did Jesus do God's will? Of course. God PLAINLY called Jesus his son and said he was well pleased with him. God is not Jesus; Jesus is not God.
Why would anyone discard about 50 clear verses that say that Jesus is the Son of God in order to find a handful of more difficult verses that seem to be ambiguous? This defies logic and proper principles of Biblical study; understand the clear and simple before tackling the difficult and challenging.
Is this enough for one posting?
Your first jab regrading names: so what? A name doesn't make it a literal truth. Was Sarah truly a princess? Was Peter literally a rock or stone? No.
Your second regarding Thomas is the figure of speech hendiadys which is two words to emphasize one thought. This is no more literal than when Jesus called Peter 'satan' ('get thee behind me satan!)
Figures of speech are legitimate uses of language but one has to know when and where they are. Try verses that with lists and many "ands" (and Peter and Paul and Joseph...). That is polysyndoton. Lists with no "ands" is the figure asyndodon.
Did you know that puctuation does not exist in the cursives or uncils? ('original' greek texts) Since all puntuation in the KJV is manmade, there are errors in it. Thus, interpret inlight of clear verses.
Who did these people see? It wasn't God that they literally saw...unless you care to do battle with these clear and in context verses that say that God is invisible and unseen by man.
Jhn 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared [him].
1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom [be] honour and power everlasting. Amen.
1Jo 4:12 No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.
(speaking of Jesus) Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Ok, got the point? Clear verses first to set the ground rules, then use these guides to interpret the rest and then you'll get harmony and clarity from the scriptures.
Of course not! You'd do well to read up a couple posts to a long one I posted this morning.
God is not Jesus; Jesus is not God.
If you are going to stick to your current argument, it is up to you to decide which of the scriptures is wrong, untrue, or incorrect when it says that no one has seen God.
And btw, Jesus had his genesis at his birth.
Was he with God in God's foreknowledge? Sure. So were you and so was I.
So is calling someone satan.
Neither were literally true.
If Jesus is God and God is invisible then no one saw Jesus.
If Jesus is God, then God died on the cross, raised himself from the dead, and ascended to his own right hand.
If Jesus is God, then who told the disciples that Jesus was 'my' beloved son?
If Jesus is God, then did it mean that believers would do greater works than God when Jesus promised that believers would do the works that he did AND GREATER because he went to his father?
WORSHIPPED
Lexicon Results for proskuneo (Strong's 4352)
Greek for 4352
Pronunciation Guide
proskuneo {pros-koo-neh'-o}
TDNT Reference Root Word
TDNT - 6:758,948 from 4314 and a probable derivative of 2965 (meaning to kiss, like a dog licking his master's hand)
Part of Speech
v
Outline of Biblical Usage
1) to kiss the hand to (towards) one, in token of reverence
2) among the Orientals, esp. the Persians, to fall upon the knees and touch the ground with the forehead as an expression of profound reverence
3) in the NT by kneeling or prostration to do homage (to one) or make obeisance, whether in order to express respect or to make supplication
a) used of homage shown to men and beings of superior rank
1) to the Jewish high priests
2) to God
3) to Christ
4) to heavenly beings
5) to demons
All it takes is a little study on your part to answer your own questions. I'd urge you to let the scriptures speak for themselves instead of trying to use them to bolster your theology.
...they searched the scriptures daily whether those things were so...
Be a worker of the word who doesn't need to be ashamed of his work.
Read the New Testament.
You'll see that 'temple' is used for a physical building whereas 'tabernacle' is used of the body.
Again, we're seeing figures of speech, substituting one thing for a literal truth in order to emphasize a point.
Did you read the usage of the word 'worship'?
Is it ok to give respect and awe to men in authority?
God. But not literally walking becase God is spirit.
And I didn't know it was my job to answer your quizzes?
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.