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The Holy Trinity
3/19/06 | Carl Eldredge

Posted on 03/19/2006 6:25:15 PM PST by whispering out loud

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Hope this helps someone.
1 posted on 03/19/2006 6:25:18 PM PST by whispering out loud
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To: whispering out loud

Beautiful. :)


2 posted on 03/19/2006 6:45:37 PM PST by Sweetjustusnow ("You're either with us or with the terrorists." Time to live up to that statement Mr. President.)
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To: whispering out loud
I agree that God whose name is Jesus is the Father, the son, and the Holy spirit.

But I do not believe in the term trinity. It is no where to be found in the Holy Bible. If it is not in the Bible then it is made of man, and should be questioned as truth.

Jesus is God with three positions to perform. Like I am a Husband, father, and son.
3 posted on 03/19/2006 7:51:39 PM PST by Creationist (If the earth is old show me your proof. Salvation from the judgment of your sins is free.)
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To: Creationist
John 1;1 In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God.

Several times throughout the scriptures, Christ prayed to the Father. I would submit to you, that the Father, Spirit and Jesus, are three parts of the same Deity, not necessarily three jobs. Had you read my whole post you would have seen the reasoning for this pattern of thought, as well as the scriptural backing.

4 posted on 03/19/2006 8:00:56 PM PST by whispering out loud (the bible is either 100% true, or in it's very nature it is 100% a lie)
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To: Creationist

Jesus, Jehovah and the Holy Spirit are three separate entities that always work in perfect union. While the word "Trinity" is not in the New Testament, the concept is. The best place to see it is in Matthew 3:16-17. The setting is the baptism of Jesus. Notice how all three entities are manifested at the same time but in three different places. Jesus is coming up out of the water, the Holy Spirity is descending as a dove, and Jehovah is speaking from heaven.


5 posted on 03/19/2006 8:11:12 PM PST by tenn2005 (Birth is merely an event; it is the path walked that becomes one's life.)
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Ping to check out later


6 posted on 03/19/2006 8:33:54 PM PST by Alex Murphy (Colossians 4:5)
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To: whispering out loud

When God speaks, whatever it is comes to pass. Note in Genesis..."and God said" is repeated many times, why, to alert us to the fact that when He says something, it happens. The silliest example would be to say...if God said there was a second Tuesday in the week, we would be changing our calendars.


7 posted on 03/20/2006 5:18:04 AM PST by bro.Ray
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To: Creationist
In my previous post, I forgot to bring to you the history of the word trinity. The word trinity comes from the Latin tri-unum, tri meaning three, unum meaning unified, or brought together as one. It was not a scriptural term, but it was introduced to help understand the many scriptural references to the three distinct parts of God, yet the solid statement in scriptures that the Lord our God is One.
8 posted on 03/20/2006 5:30:06 AM PST by whispering out loud (the bible is either 100% true, or in it's very nature it is 100% a lie)
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To: bro.Ray

yes, this is exactly what makes my last statement true, even if it wasn't against his nature to lie, he still could not lie due to the power of his word.


9 posted on 03/20/2006 7:57:12 AM PST by whispering out loud (the bible is either 100% true, or in it's very nature it is 100% a lie)
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To: tenn2005
Very good, except "Jehovah" is speaking. Jehovah = the Godhead, which includes all three persons. More properly, God the Father is speaking from heaven.

Regards

10 posted on 03/20/2006 9:02:51 AM PST by jo kus (I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing; therefore CHOOSE life - Deut 30:19)
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To: tenn2005; Creationist

Hi tenn2005! pardon me wilst I make a few comments.

You said **Notice how all three entities are manifested at the same time but in three different places. Jesus is coming up out of the water, the Holy Spirity is descending as a dove, and Jehovah is speaking from heaven.**

It is a small thing for one omnipresent, omniscient, and omnipotent Spirit of God (John 4:23,24) to do, not 1, not 2, not 3, but countless operations..at..the..same..time.

The Christ was fully man, but also God, because he was filled with the only God, "....for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him. The Father loveth the Son, and hath given (I repeat: g i v e n ! ) ALL THINGS into his hands." John 3:34,35

"For in him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily." Col. 2:9

A television has a body (the unit itself), a visual sign from out of thin air (on the screen), and a voice from out of thin air (on the speaker), but the electricity is the SOURCE of the power.

Who was healing the sick? God was.
Who was feeding the multitudes? God was.
Who was raising the dead? God was.

That's how the Christ died. The Father had left his body so he COULD die ("My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?). The Almighty God that fed multitudes, could have sustained that mortally wounded body (that had a man's soul in it) indefinitely.

The Godhead topic is one I really enjoy discussing.


11 posted on 03/20/2006 8:16:36 PM PST by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....nearly 2,000 years and still working today!)
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To: Zuriel

I am glad that you enjoy discussing the trinity. I am not Catholic and agree with very little that they teach. However, in the matter of the trinity I believe that they may be correct.

Genesis 1:1 says "In the beginning God..." The word used here for God is Elohim. The word is plural. In Genesis 1:26 God said, "let us (pl) make man in our (pl) image." The message here us clearly that God is a more than one.

In Matthew 28:19 Jesus commands the apostles to baptise in the name of "The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. All of these references indicate that God is a triumvirate.


12 posted on 03/20/2006 9:40:26 PM PST by tenn2005 (Birth is merely an event; it is the path walked that becomes one's life.)
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To: whispering out loud; the-ironically-named-proverbs2; Eagle Eye
We also know that God is one, Jesus said in his word “The Father and I are one”,

If Jesus is G-d, why is he so bad at math? Shouldn't he have said two-thirds? :-\

13 posted on 03/20/2006 10:08:58 PM PST by Thinkin' Gal (As it was in the days of NO...)
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To: Thinkin' Gal
did you read the whole post? God the Father is not one third of the Godhead, He is the entire mind of God, Jesus is the entire flesh, and physical works of God, and The Holy spirit is the entire Spirit of God. To call each of these a third, is a misstatement, each of these comprises their entire realm of Gods nature.
14 posted on 03/21/2006 5:05:33 AM PST by whispering out loud (the bible is either 100% true, or in it's very nature it is 100% a lie)
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To: whispering out loud
The almighty God could have as many manifestation as He wants. Three is easy for our small minds.

Heck, water has three manifestation: liquid, solid, and gas.

Don't pay any attention to the man behind the curtain.

5.56mm

15 posted on 03/21/2006 5:11:54 AM PST by M Kehoe
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To: M Kehoe
You forgot the "s" boozo. Sheesh.

5.56mm

16 posted on 03/21/2006 5:13:32 AM PST by M Kehoe
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To: whispering out loud
Hope this helps someone

More insane dribble.

Someone needs help.

BTW, by calling GtF the controlling unit of the trininty aren't you negating the part of the creed that says that they are co-equal? Or is it tri equal?

Whatever, the trinity is a modern resurrection of Baal worship.

17 posted on 03/21/2006 5:18:08 AM PST by Eagle Eye (There ought to be a law against excess legislation.)
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To: Thinkin' Gal

I can easily explain God's relationship to Jesus and Jesus' relationship to us with terms straight from the Bible and backed up solidly with quoted scripture.

To explain the trinity, they must use non biblical terms that require twisting scriptures and ignoring others.

Jesus was either a man who came entirely in the flesh or he wasn't. The Bible says he was. Trinitarians say he wasn't.


18 posted on 03/21/2006 5:22:18 AM PST by Eagle Eye (There ought to be a law against excess legislation.)
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To: M Kehoe
Heck, water has three manifestation: liquid, solid, and gas.

But not at the same time. They are not co equal or co eternal.

Jesus had a genesis ... a beginning at birth.

19 posted on 03/21/2006 5:26:39 AM PST by Eagle Eye (There ought to be a law against excess legislation.)
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To: Eagle Eye
Good morning.

But not at the same time. They are not co equal or co eternal.

I think you missed my point. It was in the first sentence of my post. No matter.

5.56mm

20 posted on 03/21/2006 5:42:10 AM PST by M Kehoe
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