Posted on 03/19/2006 6:25:15 PM PST by whispering out loud
Beautiful. :)
Several times throughout the scriptures, Christ prayed to the Father. I would submit to you, that the Father, Spirit and Jesus, are three parts of the same Deity, not necessarily three jobs. Had you read my whole post you would have seen the reasoning for this pattern of thought, as well as the scriptural backing.
Jesus, Jehovah and the Holy Spirit are three separate entities that always work in perfect union. While the word "Trinity" is not in the New Testament, the concept is. The best place to see it is in Matthew 3:16-17. The setting is the baptism of Jesus. Notice how all three entities are manifested at the same time but in three different places. Jesus is coming up out of the water, the Holy Spirity is descending as a dove, and Jehovah is speaking from heaven.
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When God speaks, whatever it is comes to pass. Note in Genesis..."and God said" is repeated many times, why, to alert us to the fact that when He says something, it happens. The silliest example would be to say...if God said there was a second Tuesday in the week, we would be changing our calendars.
yes, this is exactly what makes my last statement true, even if it wasn't against his nature to lie, he still could not lie due to the power of his word.
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Hi tenn2005! pardon me wilst I make a few comments.
You said **Notice how all three entities are manifested at the same time but in three different places. Jesus is coming up out of the water, the Holy Spirity is descending as a dove, and Jehovah is speaking from heaven.**
It is a small thing for one omnipresent, omniscient, and omnipotent Spirit of God (John 4:23,24) to do, not 1, not 2, not 3, but countless operations..at..the..same..time.
The Christ was fully man, but also God, because he was filled with the only God, "....for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him. The Father loveth the Son, and hath given (I repeat: g i v e n ! ) ALL THINGS into his hands." John 3:34,35
"For in him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily." Col. 2:9
A television has a body (the unit itself), a visual sign from out of thin air (on the screen), and a voice from out of thin air (on the speaker), but the electricity is the SOURCE of the power.
Who was healing the sick? God was.
Who was feeding the multitudes? God was.
Who was raising the dead? God was.
That's how the Christ died. The Father had left his body so he COULD die ("My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?). The Almighty God that fed multitudes, could have sustained that mortally wounded body (that had a man's soul in it) indefinitely.
The Godhead topic is one I really enjoy discussing.
I am glad that you enjoy discussing the trinity. I am not Catholic and agree with very little that they teach. However, in the matter of the trinity I believe that they may be correct.
Genesis 1:1 says "In the beginning God..." The word used here for God is Elohim. The word is plural. In Genesis 1:26 God said, "let us (pl) make man in our (pl) image." The message here us clearly that God is a more than one.
In Matthew 28:19 Jesus commands the apostles to baptise in the name of "The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. All of these references indicate that God is a triumvirate.
If Jesus is G-d, why is he so bad at math? Shouldn't he have said two-thirds? :-\
Heck, water has three manifestation: liquid, solid, and gas.
Don't pay any attention to the man behind the curtain.
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More insane dribble.
Someone needs help.
BTW, by calling GtF the controlling unit of the trininty aren't you negating the part of the creed that says that they are co-equal? Or is it tri equal?
Whatever, the trinity is a modern resurrection of Baal worship.
I can easily explain God's relationship to Jesus and Jesus' relationship to us with terms straight from the Bible and backed up solidly with quoted scripture.
To explain the trinity, they must use non biblical terms that require twisting scriptures and ignoring others.
Jesus was either a man who came entirely in the flesh or he wasn't. The Bible says he was. Trinitarians say he wasn't.
But not at the same time. They are not co equal or co eternal.
Jesus had a genesis ... a beginning at birth.
But not at the same time. They are not co equal or co eternal.
I think you missed my point. It was in the first sentence of my post. No matter.
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