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Miracle reported; could speed John Paul's canonization
Catholic World News ^ | 2 December 2005

Posted on 12/01/2005 4:30:34 PM PST by Aussie Dasher

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To: Aussie Dasher

And the actual benefit of this whole beatification is?

One would think that JP II has received his just reward in Heaven.


21 posted on 12/01/2005 6:03:04 PM PST by connectthedots
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To: Aussie Dasher

"The process for beatification is going very well," the Polish archbishop reported. "We are hoping to be finished by March 2006."

It shouldn't take too long to cook the books with an un-verifiable "miracle" ...


22 posted on 12/01/2005 6:05:08 PM PST by WildTurkey (True Creationism makes intelligent design actually seem intelligent)
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To: Aussie Dasher
In accordance with Vatican rules, the identity of the nun is not being revealed,

Funny how the vatican will never reveal their 'miracles'...

23 posted on 12/01/2005 6:06:46 PM PST by WildTurkey (True Creationism makes intelligent design actually seem intelligent)
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To: Aussie Dasher
The Roman news agency I Media has learned that a French nun who was dying of cancer experienced a sudden and complete cure in October, after the members of her community prayed for the intercession of the late Pope John Paul. In accordance with Vatican rules,

Selah

24 posted on 12/01/2005 6:07:09 PM PST by Neenah
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To: connectthedots

More official recognition than anything else. There are millions of saints in heaven. Only the high profile ones get the title - with some obvious exceptions.


25 posted on 12/01/2005 6:08:24 PM PST by Aussie Dasher (The Great Ronald Reagan & John Paul II - Heaven's Dream Team!)
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To: Aussie Dasher
Some other 'miracles' ...

1) Sister Thérèse of Saint Augustine, who lived in Orleans, had been cured of leg ulcers.

2) Sister Julie Gauthier, who lived in Faverolles, was cured of a cancerous ulcer of her left breast.

3) Sister Marie Sagnier, who lived in Frages, was miraculously cured of cancer of the stomach.

26 posted on 12/01/2005 6:09:05 PM PST by WildTurkey (True Creationism makes intelligent design actually seem intelligent)
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To: Dog Gone
They're just going through the motions. The decision has already been made for all practical purposes.

In the early days, they didn't have to find the "miracles". It got harder and they even had a "Devil's Advocate" to challenge the miracle. Then JP eliminated that part of the process. I guess he was paving the way for his saint-hood ...

27 posted on 12/01/2005 6:19:36 PM PST by WildTurkey (True Creationism makes intelligent design actually seem intelligent)
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To: WildTurkey
It shouldn't take too long to cook the books with an un-verifiable "miracle" ...

Subs hit documented mountains too.

Don't they.

Funny you never answered my follow up pings on this issue.

Oh, I was right, that is the problem.

28 posted on 12/01/2005 6:25:44 PM PST by Eaker (My Wife Rocks! - I will never take Dix or El Roy off of my ping list.)
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To: Eaker
Subs hit documented mountains too. Don't they. Funny you never answered my follow up pings on this issue. Oh, I was right, that is the problem.

As I recall, I answered everyone of your pings. And, BTW, I was right.

29 posted on 12/01/2005 6:27:16 PM PST by WildTurkey (True Creationism makes intelligent design actually seem intelligent)
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To: Aussie Dasher

In the New Testament all believers are referred to as "saints."


31 posted on 12/01/2005 6:42:41 PM PST by razorbak
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To: Eaker

Don't waste your pearls, FRiend.


32 posted on 12/01/2005 6:46:10 PM PST by BraveMan
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To: razorbak

In the New Testament all believers are referred to as "saints."

They were also called saints while still alive. And they did not need a miracle to prove their sainthood.


33 posted on 12/01/2005 6:46:24 PM PST by razorbak
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To: Aussie Dasher

What a complete deception. Does it ever end?


34 posted on 12/01/2005 6:48:00 PM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: BraveMan

Sometimes a miracle is a changed heart. Maybe no one sees, but the person whose heart is changed, and God who knows everything.

The miracle of a soul healed is more wonderful than a healed ailment, but it's not as visible.


35 posted on 12/01/2005 7:13:23 PM PST by little jeremiah
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To: Eaker
I actually know the recipient of an actual, Vatican-certified miracle. It happened when I was in middle school, so I can't quite remember the details of her illness, but it involved complications with her spinal chord and some of her internal organs. My middle school and hers (both run by the Oblate Sisters of St. Francis de Sales) started a novena asking for the intercession of Mother Francis de Sales Aviat. The miracle was attributed to Mother Aviat, and led to her canonization (she is now known as Saint Leonie Aviat).

Here is the link for an article about the miracle - the girl (Bernadette) and I were both counselors for a few summers at the camp my middle school ran. (Sister Anne Elizabeth, also in the article, was in charge of the kitchen and kept us from stealing the cinammon toast!)

County Press Online Article
36 posted on 12/01/2005 7:23:36 PM PST by AirForceBrat23
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To: coloradan
Sorry, just gotta ask: How many people with cancer make sudden, unexpected recoveries without the intercession of any religious people at all?

It's called spontaneous remission. Spontaneous remission occurs in approximately one in 60,000 according to medical literature. But, researchers outside of the medical industry claim the real number is closer to five in 15,000. Doctors today don't credit spontaneous remission like they did fifty years ago.
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37 posted on 12/01/2005 7:25:04 PM PST by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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To: razorbak

Rom 1:7 To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.


38 posted on 12/01/2005 7:26:23 PM PST by razorbak
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To: Aussie Dasher

A real miracle would be healing the French economy and giving Chirac some "coullions" but that might be beyond even a saint's power.


39 posted on 12/01/2005 7:38:47 PM PST by The Great RJ ("Mir wölle bleiwen wat mir sin" or "We want to remain what we are." ..Luxembourg motto)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

What is the deception here? Do you even understand what it means to be a saint?
Everyone in heaven is a saint. Do you think JP II is not in heaven?

What is wonderful about the Church is she gives us the lives of the saints to emmulate. All the Church is doing by proclaiming a saint is saying, "Yep, they were truly filled with the Holy Spirit." What is so terrible about that?


40 posted on 12/01/2005 8:23:07 PM PST by Aggie Mama
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