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By popular demand...

[Central Scrutiniser]

Why did the church deny that it witheld treatment from Lisa McPherson? Why did they harass anyone that spoke out about her death that was caused by church members in your hotel in Clearwater?

Have you ever been to www.xenutv.com and watched the video of the church goons harassing the cameraman as he tried to film your street fair which was being held on a public street?

Have you watched the interviews with former high ranking members and heard the truth about David Miscaviage?

[Central Scrutiniser]

Why did the church protract the wrongful death suit of Lisa McPherson for 7 years, and then settle out of court?

Why did L. Ron say he was a nuculear physicist, or that he graduated from college, or about his war record? If he was so anti depression medication, what about the drugs found in his body when he died?

From the Scientology Lies website, some questions:
Why have so many people reportedly been held against their will by Scientology? (Just a few examples: Michael Pattinson, Janice Hayward, Roxanne Friend, Dee Rowe, Marianne Coenan, Dorothy Geary, Moira Hutchinson, Dennis Ehrlich, Stacy Young, Birgitta Dagnell, Hana Whitfield, Margery Wakefield, Annie Rosenblum, and Gerry Armstrong)

The book "Dianetics" promises that Dianetic processing can give people perfect memories and greatly improved health, based on extensive scientific research. Why does Scientology continue to promote the book when Scientology's never provided any scientific evidence; the scientific study done in the 50's disproved the existence of engrams; and no "Clear" has ever demonstrated having perfect memory or any of the other abilities promised in the book? Isn't that fraud?

[Jotmo]

Bump

[Central Scrutiniser]

From Operation Clambake, a site you guys have tried to shut down several times, and have tried to get delisted from Google.

http://www.xenu.net/roland-intro.html

Operation Clambake presents:
What is Scientology?


In the late 1940s, pulp writer L. Ron Hubbard declared:
"Writing for a penny a word is ridiculous. If a man really wants to make a million dollars, the best way would be to start his own religion"
Reader's Digest reprint, May 1980, p.1
Hubbard later created the Church of Scientology...

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Based on a text by ex-Scientologist Roland Rashleigh-Berry. Roland wrote: "This is my personal opinion. I grant permission to anyone to reproduce this material. This description has been tailored to people who have never been Scientologists and seek a simple and short explanation as to what it is and why it is surrounded by controversy."

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In a Nutshell

The Church of Scientology is a vicious and dangerous cult that masquerades as a religion. Its purpose is to make money. It practices a variety of mind-control techniques on people lured into its midst to gain control over their money and their lives. Its aim is to take from them every penny that they have and can ever borrow and to also enslave them to further its wicked ends.
It was started in the 1950s by a science fiction writer named L. Ron Hubbard in fulfilment to his declared aim to start a religion to make money. It is an offshoot to a method of psychotherapy he concocted from various sources which he named "Dianetics". Dianetics is a form of regression therapy. It was then further expanded to appear more like a religion in order to enjoy tax benefits. He called it "Scientology".

Scientology is a confused concoction of crackpot, dangerously applied psychotherapy, oversimplified, idiotic and inapplicable rules and ideas and science-fiction drivel that is presented to its members (at the "advanced" levels) as profound spiritual truth.


The Harm it Does to a Person
The results of applying their crackpot psychotherapy (called "auditing") is to weaken the mind. The mind goes from a rational state to an irrational one as the delusional contents of the subconscious mind are brought to the surface and are assumed to be valid. It also makes a person more susceptible to suggestion since it submerges the critical thinking faculties of the mind into a partial subconscious state. It results in a permanent light hypnotic trance and so from thenceforth that person can be more easily controlled. The person will, to a much greater extent, believe and do whatever they are told. And of course this is used to the full in persuading them to hand over further money and dedicating themselves further to the cult.
The results of applying their oversimplified and inapplicable rules in life is to lose the ability to think rationally and logically. A person loses the ability to think for themselves and so they lose the ability to challenge incorrect ideas. This makes them easier to control. It also isolates and alienates the person from society so that they withdraw from normal society and into their "Scientology" society. This further increases their susceptibility to the influence of their group. They end up being afraid of society, believing all society to be controlled by a group of drug companies, psychiatrists and financiers all of whom report to more remote masters. In other words they are in a state of mass paranoia. They therefore avoid reading newspapers and the like since they fear it will disturb their safe Scientology world. It is a downward spiral into madness.

The science fiction content of Scientology is revealed to them after they have reached the state they call "Clear", meaning freed from the aberrations of the mind. However, perhaps "brainwashed" would be a more applicable word to describe the mental state of someone who has survived the near entire delusional contents of their subconscious mind brought to the surface and presented to them as "truth". On the "advanced" levels (called OT levels) above the state of "Clear" they encounter the story of Xenu. Xenu was supposed to have gathered up all the overpopulation in this sector of the galaxy, brought them to Earth and then exterminated them using hydrogen bombs. The souls of these murdered people are then supposed to infest the body of everyone. They are called "body thetans". On the advanced levels of Scientology a person "audits out" these body thetans telepathically by getting them to re-experience their being exterminated by hydrogen bombs. So people on these levels assume all their bad thoughts and faulty memories are due to these body thetans infesting every part of their body and influencing them mentally. Many Scientologists go raving mad at this point if they have not done so already.

The "Ethics" Trap
On the surface the Church of Scientology seems reasonable. The insane content of it is only revealed to a person when the early stuff has done its work and made them more susceptible. After a short while a person "believes" that Scientology is doing them good. They are then persuaded to help their new-found group further by donating money and/or working for the organisation for almost no money. Many people do exactly that.
"Ethics" is used to good effect to trap a person. A person’s natural tendency to do good is worked upon. Yes - they want to be more ethical, but what is ethical? This is where a clever trick is pulled! "Ethics" is redefined by Scientology in such a way that to be ethical is to be a better Scientologist and obey the "church". Young people, not yet made cynical through the machinations of life and politics, are very keen to contribute to the world and to be ethical. So the "ethics" trick works easily into persuading them to join the "church". Many of them join an elite group called the "Sea Org" where they become brainwashed slaves. There they work a hundred hour week for almost no pay. There they are subject to every cruel whim of their masters. It is a living hell that they endure because of the conditioning they have received and this now perverted sense of ethics that they have accepted. The "Sea Org" is the ultimate in brainwashed slavery. They are expected to work harder and harder to achieve ever higher targets of production. If they fail to meet their targets there are various penalties. One of them is to be put onto a diet of beans and rice and to miss sleep. Another is to be sentenced to a period on the RPF (Rehabilitation Project Force). This is the equivalent to "hard labour". Such is the extent of their brainwashing that they actually write "success stories" when they complete their sentences.

Brainwashing Bites Back
There is no doubt at all that L. Ron Hubbard incorporated brainwashing techniques into Scientology to put people under his control. He even wrote a "brainwashing manual" which is still in existence today. However there was a cruel twist in his scheme. He fell victim of it himself. In creating his devoted slaves, the Sea Org, he created an audience that believed every word he said. Now L. Ron Hubbard had an over-active imagination plus delusions of grandeur. The negative feedback he would obtain by being part of normal society was replaced by the positive feedback from his devoted followers. Through this his imagination got the better of him and combined with his delusions of grandeur, his thinking became increasingly bizarre which, on acceptance, led on to more bizarre thinking and the idea that he and Scientology had the job of saving the entire universe He wanted to take over the world in order to further Scientology’s aims to save the universe and so branches of Scientology were set up to try to influence governments and gain positions where they could influence to world to a high degree. So what started out as a mass confidence trick backed up with brainwashing became a monstrous and insane organisation with fantastic, fanatical ideals. Because of this change, the Church of Scientology survived the death of their founder. It is like a runaway monster machine that tramples on society and peoples lives that is very difficult to stop.
Stop the Monster
The whole machinery called the "Church of Scientology" needs to be jammed somehow so that more people do not get sucked in and the people already in it have a chance to get out. We must not forget the people already in this "church". Although they are the ones perpetrating this crime they are also the victims. They need our help as well.
And here we come to the "War on the Internet".

The War on the Internet
The "War on the Internet" is the war between the Church of Scientology and Internet users who copy their documents and post them on the Internet.
The people who are copying their material and webbing it are using the huge accessibility of the world-wide web to get information out to people to warn them of the insanity and danger of this cult. They are doing it for the public good. The hope is that if they can get this information out to the public and make it broadly known then people will be forewarned and will not join the cult. If they can starve the cult of new members in this way then the whole organisation may collapse and then the existing members can be helped to return to society. But of course the people within the cult believe only their own founders interpretation of things so they use every means they can to stop this. Usually the method they use is harassment through lengthy and expensive legal processes. Sometimes it is physical harassment. Sometimes worse!

The people who post and host the copyrighted and confidential works of Scientology are risking themselves to help warn the public about the dangers of Scientology. They have a strong sense of public duty and care for their fellow men. They are breaking copyright laws it is true but they are acting out of conscience and out of high human ideals. As they get broken down by legal or physical harassment more rise to take their place.

I hope this short piece of mine is a befitting and deserving introduction to these people, the "Warriors of the Internet".

In an article to alt.religion.scientology 6. September 1998, parkerbp@webtv.net wrote:
Here's a short summary of my experience with $cientology.
Staff was very friendly with me as a student and pc, as long as I kept forking over the dough for services and "fund raisers."
I joined staff at an org and the attitude of other staff toward me got a little less than friendly.
I joined the Sea Org and put up with alot of crap from staff and LRH's policy because I thought I was helping myself and my fellow man.
I found out I was helping no one and hurting myself. I got out I began surfing the net and found many of my doubts and suspicions about the CO$ were very well founded.
I had been lied to and deceived by the CO$ in order to gain my trust, my money, my loyalty, and dedication to a lost and evil cause.
Now I am dedicated to voice my experiences and opinions of the cult of $cientology.
Bobby

[Central Scrutiniser]

By the way, be sure to watch South Park this Wed, they are sticking it to Cruise and the church.

Issac Hayes probably won't be on that episode.

:)

[In_The_Vine]

Thank you for your willingness to educate us all! I've been very curious about Scientology. Can you tell me how someone is held against their will (regarding post 70)?

[AxelPaulsenJr]

I was at a Waldenbooks bookstore in Memphis this past weekend. A fellow sets up a "free stress test" table in front of the store. The clerks inside supply him with several copies of Dianetics. I watch as he gives the tests then tries to sell the testees the book, in the thirty minutes that I watched him as I waited on my wife, he sold no books.

[DoctorMichael]

Interesting; I actually read through the first 100 posts. I had a girlfriend once that was into EST and tried to convert me; It didn't last [*LOL*]. Thanks for the Thread and your time!

[Calpernia]

I didn't go through this thread. I'll read it tomorrow, I'm off to bed now. But is Scientology related to the Church of Euthanasia?

Bump this back to me if you posted on that.

Night!

[PleaseNoMore]

What is your belief system now?

[eleni121]

What's going on with Scientology and west Florida...?I 've heard that lots of judges there are scientologists promoting their anti Christian ideology.

[Paradox]

Did you ever know a Scientologist by the name of Robert Marcus. About 10-15 years ago, he was something of a cyber stalker on the internet. Raised hell in a bunch of newsgroups. He and I got into a public debate, where he eventually began to subtly threaten me and my family. I publicly demonstrated to him that I was in more of a position to know who and where he was, whereupon he ceased dealing with me completely. Always wondered what was up with that guy, and what happened to him..

[cgk]

*ping*

[Quilla]

My sister, a longtime member of Scientology is currently visiting me. The last time I saw her I'm afraid I attacked Scientology (Xenu, hydrogen bombs, volcanoes, thetans, huge expense, cult, etc.). I believe the sole intent of her current visit is to convince me that Scientology was established to help people (i.e. narcanon, purification rundowns in New York after 9-11) and that I am obviously misinformed.

She's not trying to convert me, but is obviously troubled by my comments - almost getting out of control when I say I don't get it. She asked me the "picture a cat" question and I looked at her like she was nuts. She admitted she believes she's lived before (numerous times), but wouldn't share the era when asked. It's just such vague bull hockey and nothing she says is going to convince me otherwise. I suspect she's spent in the hundreds of thousands of dollars and is so hooked, nothing is going to "save" her. Can you share anything that I could say to her to convince her this whole thing is a hoax? She claims to have never heard the story about LRH saying he'd make more money starting a religion than writing science fiction. All in all, she's incredibly defensive, but I'm hoping there is some trigger to get her to see the light.

Thanks.

[JanetteS]

This thread was very interesting. Thanks for reposting the link.

I read Dianetics as a teenager but only after reading Hubbard's science fiction. His books were so awful I wanted to know why he was so well known. I guess I thought he had to be a better "religious leader" than author. Luckily my impression was that Dianetics was just as horrible as the rest of his fiction.

Thanks for sharing your experience. I'm still puzzled by the phenomenon but you cleared up some things for me.

[Sir Gawain]

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[FJ290]

Please forgive if this has already been asked as I can't possibly read over the 200 responses already posted.

What made you leave and did you enter into another belief system?

[Sensei Ern]

Why didn't Kay Keiser ever get back into entertainment?

[fanfan]

OK, Here's a question for debate.....

Anyway,Scientologists believe all your problems stem from"engrams",or negative messages you got while in mom's womb.

What about a pregnant woman in a coma, on life support?

Where are the negative messages supposed to be coming from in that case?

[ears_to_hear]

This is very interesting thanks.

Like most cults people get caught in a web that is difficult to escape from.

Where are you now spiritually?