Posted on 07/06/2005 12:49:22 PM PDT by dangus
I found this church in a link from another thread, posted by NYer. I thought it was such a perfect description of the spiritual desolation of liberalism that I had to post it.
I read this, made me sad.
Me, too.
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The fact that these people cling to name Catholic infuriates me. If they were truly interested in living out their so-called faith experiences they could easily convert to the ECUSA and fit right in. But their agenda isn't to fit in...rather it's to tear down the Catholic Church. These freaks REALLY tick me off.
Ah, what a shame this wonderful religious community was broken up. What a beacon to the faithful Father Jim and his party cell-er-"church"has been. Supporting communists, marrying sexual degenerates, ordaining priestesses, the Diocese of Rochester should proudly support this brave group of Catholics struggling to bring their Church into the bright light of modernism. Ee-yeah. Seriously, folks, what is wrong with your heirarchy and why was this nonsense permitted to go on so(literally)Goddamned long???
This reminds me of Theo Huxtable's little passionate speech in the first episode of Cosby. Instead of getting the then-required "Oh Son, I see how right you are!" he got "that is the DUMBEST thing I have ever heard!"
These people can certainly form and create any church they want. They can worship rutabaga leaves and dance naked in the moonlight. They just can't be Catholics.
Catholicism is not a democratic theology. You is or you ain't. You don't get to call the shots -- that is for protestants. You want to follow the teachings of the Church, then you follow them all. Otherwise, what is the point of being Catholic?
Incredible. I pray that these people come to their senses and return to the Church.
Sigh. Only with this 'disclaimer', because it looks so familiar.
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Thank you for the acknowledgement. Actually, I stumbled across this story several years ago while researching 'women's ordination'. Like you, I was totally stunned at how 'good intentions' led this group wayward. Even more surprising was their excommunication by Rochester's Bishop Matthew Clark. Then I realized he did so after word came from the Vatican. More on his apostacy below.
So what became of this group ... and what about Mary Ramerman? Here's the outcome.
Our hearts go out to Mary and to the whole Spiritus Christi Community with joy and longing--we are joyful that Mary is open to God’s call and that the community is willing to recognize it. We long for a curia and a papacy characterized by faith and trust in the Spirit working through the local church.
Mary Louise Hartman, President
Association for the Rights of Catholics in the Church
If you can stomach it, this link will take you to video clips of women ordinations and other discussions on 'inclusiveness'. (My dinner hasn't settled yet).
Women Church Convergence
Caution! Lots of liturgical dancing!
"Certainly the Pope and the bishops have a very important role, but also primary in Catholic theology is the role of conscience and the role of speaking out for justice," says Ramerman. "And Catholics are told that if something goes against your conscience, you are, by your faith, required to follow your conscience. So the idea of Catholicism is much bigger than the Pope says this or that. Certainly if we look back in history, for 2000 years there are many Popes that you would not want to be known as having followed."
Mary Ramerman
Mary Ramerman was excommunicated by the Catholic Church and ordained by the Old Catholic Church. She now runs a parish of 1500 members.
As for Bishop Matthew Clark and the Rochester Diocese ... there is only one place to begin. This web site was constructed by a faithful catholic who has valiantly fought the "wreckovation" of Bishop Fulton J. Sheen's former Cathedral home, but lost.
Bishop Clark, like Albany's Bishop Hubbard and LA's Cardinal Mahony are all appointees of Archbishop Jadot.
This is too disturbing to even comment on. . . .
It seems that more than one of us is having this reaction.
We need to pray for them and those who have misled them. Like the 'good folks' over at St. Joan of Arc in Minneapolis, these catholics truly believe they are following the path that stretches forth to eternal salvation.
There is a lot of truth in the old saying, "the road to hell is paved with good intentions."
I thought it was a cheeseburger!
What most struck me about this article was the utter lack of reliance on God. There's no mention of God directing plans, of God being consulted, of prayer... Just a sense of "we're better than they are" and complete self-reliance.
This was a "church" of, by, and for the people. God was left out of their considerations, it seems.
Nothing more than a liberal social club.
Ditto! Only difference is that I was able to find my way home to a reverent liturgy through an Eastern Catholic Church. It's a frightening situation in which to find oneself; faith, prayer and trust in God was the answer.
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