Posted on 06/21/2005 8:32:21 AM PDT by el_chupacabra
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By Lawn Griffiths, Tribune |
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June 21, 2005 | |
The Old Mass has regained critical mass in the Roman Catholic Diocese of Phoenix. The one-year experiment to determine whether enough Valley Catholics wanted Masses in Latin the mother tongue of the church has ended. | |
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And Bishop Thomas Olmsted has declared Latin a winner. The response to a first year of "Tridentine liturgy" or Latin Masses at St. Thomas the Apostle Catholic Church in east Phoenix has been so strong that Olmsted is making them permanent, and extending the special Masses to more parishes. After July 1, a Tridentine Mass will be offered Sundays at St. Augustine in Phoenix, which has a largely Hispanic congregation. For Catholics in the northern parts of the diocese, a Latin Mass will be on Sundays at St. Cecilias Catholic Church in Clarkdale.
It carries the tradition of receiving the Holy Eucharist on the tongue instead in the hand. Women commonly wear veils or mantillas.
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Contact Lawn Griffiths by email, or phone (480) 898-6522 | |
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The comparison to breast feeding for life vs talking to people in their language is catchy, but not a good analogy for the reason you indicated. It's a nice try and maybe slightly witty, but illogical.
What is the purpose of talking and reading to people from the latin liturgy? To make romans happy. To enforce the authority of rome? To say, oh this is our fine tradition or to make some with aristocratic needs feel satiated? The time has passed and those who long for the mass of their childhood are pathetic and a nuisance at best.
You might also ask yourself if you want to be in the obsessive wing of the FR like the others who take every phrase and address a reply.
Et tu?
Yeah it must have been primative when the apostles were able to address people in their own language. Those neanderthals must have been shocked.
never said I wanted to limit to the original practice. If you need to hear the mass in latin, then enjoy. Said don't steal the word tradition and pretend something was meant to be that way. God was pretty clear in the new testamont on that point. That's what I said.
I don't hang around any religious forums. Just try to shine the light when I see someone stumbling over the truth. If you need someone to be here I suggest you recruit in the kool aid line.
What makes you think you have to hear the Mass in any language in order to participate?
I just posted this to someone else yesterday on another thread.
In the TLM the priest isn't meant to be heard at every step of the Mass (least of all the consecration).
Pretending that the faithful "need" to hear the Mass is indicative of a lack of understanding of what the Mass is.
The fact that you have been banned 6 times says enough for me.
.............to clarify I was responding to what the poster said "defined the Latin Mass as the Mass for all time." You might address your correction to the person who made the mistake.
yeah, you should probably stay away from me.
The Gospel does need to be preached in every language. That was one of the gifts of the Holy Spirit to the infant Church. However, the early Christians realized pretty early on that in order to preserve doctrinal and theological teachings, particularly concerning proper worship, it is good to use languages that are "dead," such as Greek, Latin, classical Arabic, Aramaic, and Old Slavonic.
Don't go there. I already addressed reading in a previous post.
you're right, the Gospel doesn't NEED anything. It's the people who need to understand, as God showed in the new testament. Is this a difficult concept or do you often speak to others who speak a languiage you don't understand?
This old heathen is off. Adios!
The newer version of the Missale Romanum is still perfectly valid, but lacks a certain organicity in its development, while the traditional version was organically developed over all those many years.
The universal language of the Church is Latin, and has been since fairly early on. The continued use of Latin, in any of the versions of the Roman Missal, in addition to being normative, is indicative of the universality of the Church.
Preaching is preaching, worship is worship. Get the picture?
The allowance for the vernacular is a separate issue from the particular Missal used (except that the vernacular is only authorized for the 1970 Missal, as far as I know).
In the near future you will become aware of recent Prot scholarship on the nature of the Pauline letters.
Among other things, the Prot scholars are discovering that Paul was concerned with local audiences UNTIL it became clear that the Church was decidedly not "local."
Besides its implications (all negative) for Luther's glosses, it also addresses your flip commentary.
My breast feeding analogy was not meant to be a direct comparison, but rather was meant to show how origins do not establish tradition.
Latin was not always a dead language. It was, because of Roman authority, a widely known language. Incidentally, Romans hated Christians, killed and persecuted them en masse, so to say that using latin was to appease them is foolish. The only thing that would have appeased the Romans would be no mass at all. One of the four marks of the Church is that it is catholic with a small c, meaning universal. So establishing the mass in a language that people in Europe and the Middle Eastern countries (for the most part) would understand, namely latin, was a very good and practical idea.
All that aside, the argument for the traditional mass is not just that it is in latin. It is that its language is far superior. Even if the traditional mass was spoken in English (or the vernacular of whatever place), the beauty of the prose goes far and beyond that of the basic "worship" of the Novus Ordo mass.
As for my pathetic self, I am 23. I do not long for the mass of my childhood, I long for the mass of my Church.
Great new tag line, I just noticed it. =D
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