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Bishop restores Latin Mass (Phoenix)
East Valley Tribune ^ | 06.21.05 | Lawn Griffiths

Posted on 06/21/2005 8:32:21 AM PDT by el_chupacabra

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1 posted on 06/21/2005 8:32:27 AM PDT by el_chupacabra
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To: el_chupacabra

How nice for them.


2 posted on 06/21/2005 8:35:39 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("Children don't need counting, because whatever number you have, you never have enough.")
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To: el_chupacabra

In nomine patri et filii et spiritu sanctu


3 posted on 06/21/2005 8:39:24 AM PDT by shag377 (If you can read this, thank a teacher. If you can read it in English, thank a veteran.)
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To: el_chupacabra

Let me start by saying that I'm not Catholic. I have many friends who are and on rare occasions I am priviledged to attend mass with one of them. Last Easter was such an occasion. Totally in English. Even I felt disappointed and somehow unfulfilled by the experience.

I know God understands every language ever thought of by mankind but the lack of using Latin in a Catholic mass is like wearing your street clothes to church. It is acceptable but not very respectful. Church should be regarded as different, out of the ordinary (in a positive way). I think it is a good move.


4 posted on 06/21/2005 8:52:08 AM PDT by YankeeinOkieville
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To: YankeeinOkieville
Let me start by saying that I'm not Catholic.

Not yet, anyway. Anyone who longs for ritual and respects tradition belongs with us. Come on in. The water's fine.

5 posted on 06/21/2005 9:07:38 AM PDT by old and tired
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To: el_chupacabra
The Phoenix diocese had gone 35 years without traditional Latin Masses in wake of the sweeping reforms ushered in by Vatican Council II (1962-65).

The Society of St. Pius X has been firmly established in Phoenix since 1978, offering Treaditional Latin Masses every day of the week.
6 posted on 06/21/2005 9:09:41 AM PDT by te lucis ("For pity's sake, end the Council quickly." -Padre Pio)
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To: old and tired
If you respect tradition, you will follow the apostles practice of preaching and saying mass in the local language.

I know many of you long for Latin mass and I don't care about it one way or another. But you can't claim tradition when the original practice was the opposite of what you want.

Have fun in your revelry and whatever victory you think you have achieved by this pronouncement.

7 posted on 06/21/2005 9:11:42 AM PDT by bigsigh
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To: te lucis; sempertrad; Canticle_of_Deborah; Gerard.P

Interesting choice, Phoenix.


8 posted on 06/21/2005 9:16:30 AM PDT by murphE (These are days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed but his own. --G.K. Chesterton)
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To: Tax-chick

Ping


9 posted on 06/21/2005 9:19:29 AM PDT by Zunt Toad (3 to the right!)
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To: bigsigh

**I know many of you long for Latin mass and I don't care about it one way or another. But you can't claim tradition when the original practice was the opposite of what you want. **

Excellent!


10 posted on 06/21/2005 9:22:21 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: bigsigh
If you respect tradition, you will follow the apostles practice of preaching and saying mass in the local language...Have fun in your revelry and whatever victory you think you have achieved by this pronouncement.

Take your attitude somewhere else, pal. I'm actually an Novus Ordo Catholic myself. But I can see the Traditionalists have been treated like dirt for the last 30 plus years and I can be happy for them.

You sure don't sound like someone who doesn't care one way or the other. Why not admit it? I freely admit I prefer the Mass said in English. Also, it's not so simple to define tradition as what we believe was originally done by the apostles. Particularly since the Council of Trent defined the Latin Mass as the Mass for all time.

11 posted on 06/21/2005 9:25:38 AM PDT by old and tired
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To: murphE
Interesting choice, Phoenix.

Indeed. I wonder if all these unprecedented concessions are having their desired effect. I suppose it would be easy enough to find out.
12 posted on 06/21/2005 9:28:44 AM PDT by te lucis ("For pity's sake, end the Council quickly." -Padre Pio)
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To: Salvation

Thanx. I can't compete with many of the scholars who post here, but God's intention in the new testament seems pretty clear and straight forward.


13 posted on 06/21/2005 9:29:24 AM PDT by bigsigh
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To: old and tired
Dear Pal,

You can't be a traditionalist and ignore the original practice. Call yourself what you want, but know the truth.

Thanx for the invitation to leave in your generous charitable christian spirit.

14 posted on 06/21/2005 9:31:06 AM PDT by bigsigh
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To: bigsigh
Thanx for the invitation to leave in your generous charitable christian spirit.

I didn't ask you to leave. Just your attitude.

15 posted on 06/21/2005 9:39:54 AM PDT by old and tired
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To: old and tired

My attitude was to speak the truth. Sorry you're disturbed by that. By the way, I like the line "mass for all tme." I guess they just ignored our/their origins and how the church got out of Judea in the first place. Good stuff!


16 posted on 06/21/2005 9:42:27 AM PDT by bigsigh
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To: bigsigh

This news really, really bugs you, huh?


17 posted on 06/21/2005 9:50:26 AM PDT by te lucis ("For pity's sake, end the Council quickly." -Padre Pio)
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To: te lucis

What really, really bugs me besides your mischaracterization of my position, is people claiming the older ground when there was a practice previous to theirs. If you're not bugged by the ignoring of history, then have fun in your delusions.


18 posted on 06/21/2005 9:52:07 AM PDT by bigsigh
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To: bigsigh

You just seem angry. I mean, for someone who doesn't care either way.


19 posted on 06/21/2005 9:56:21 AM PDT by te lucis ("For pity's sake, end the Council quickly." -Padre Pio)
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To: bigsigh; gbcdoj; Hermann the Cherusker

Dear bigsigh,

For the Catholic Church, neither "Tradition" or "tradition" always mean "most original practice."

Neither "Tradition" nor "tradition" should be equated with "antiquarianism."

In fact, I believe there is a name given to that particular error, although it escapes me right now.

I've pinged a couple of folks more capable than I am of elucidating these points.


sitetest


20 posted on 06/21/2005 9:58:01 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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