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Those in Mortal Sin Can't Go to Communion, Says Pope
Zenit.org ^ | 03-14-05 | Pope John Paul II

Posted on 03/14/2005 9:40:26 PM PST by Salvation

Date: 2005-03-14

Those in Mortal Sin Can't Go to Communion, Says Pope

In a Message to Priests at Course on "Internal Forum"

VATICAN CITY, MARCH 14, 2005 (Zenit.org).- In keeping with Church teaching, John Paul II issued a reminder that no one who is aware of being in a state of mortal sin can go to Communion.

The Pope confirmed the traditional teaching of the magisterium in a message published by the Holy See on Saturday. The message was addressed to young priests who attended a course last week on the "internal forum" -- questions of conscience -- organized by the tribunal of the Apostolic Penitentiary.

The Holy Father dedicated his letter, signed March 8 in the Gemelli Polyclinic where he was hospitalized, to the relationship that exists between the Eucharist and confession.

"We live in a society that seems frequently to have lost the sense of God and of sin," writes John Paul II. "In this context, therefore, Christ's invitation to conversion is that much more urgent, which implies the conscious confession of one's sins and the relative request for forgiveness and salvation.

"In the exercise of his ministry, the priest knows that he acts 'in the person of Christ and under the action of the Holy Spirit,' and for this reason he must nourish [Christ's] sentiments in his inner being, increase within himself the charity of Jesus, teacher and shepherd, physician of souls and bodies, spiritual guide, just and merciful judge."

The Pope continues: "In the tradition of the Church, sacramental reconciliation has always been considered in profound relationship with the banquet of the sacrifice of the Eucharist, memorial of our redemption.

"Already in the first Christian communities the need was felt to prepare oneself, with a worthy conduct of life, to celebrate the breaking of the Eucharistic bread, which is 'Communion' with the body and blood of the Lord and 'communion' ('koinonia') with believers who form only one body, as they are nourished with the same body of Christ."

Because of this, the Pontiff recalls St. Paul's warning to the Corinthians when he said: "Whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of profaning the body and blood of the Lord" (1 Corinthians 11:27).

"In the rite of the Holy Mass," notes the Pope, "many elements underline this exigency of purification and conversion: from the initial penitential act to the prayers for forgiveness; from the gesture of peace to the prayers that the priests and faithful recite before Communion."

"Only someone who is sincerely conscious of not having committed a mortal sin can receive the Body of Christ," states the papal message, recalling the doctrine of the Council of Trent. "And this continues to be the teaching of the Church also today."

The Catechism of the Catholic Church explains the difference between mortal and venial sin in Nos. 1854 to 1864.

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To: xzins
Is a priest prevented from administering the Eucharist to a person the priest knows to be in mortal sin? a politician like Kennedy, for example?

A member of the clergy may refuse the Eucharist to a person who is known, by public action, to be living or advocating contrary to the teaching of the Church. The refusal is thus done to avoid scandal.

No one can know whether another person is actually in the state of mortal sin, and should not make judgements on that basis.

41 posted on 03/15/2005 5:52:55 AM PST by sinkspur ("Preach the gospel. If necessary, use words.")
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To: xzins
I used condoning in the sense of overlooking or disregarding an "offense" without protest as opposed to advocating an "offense" i.e. encouraging it.

As you point out guilty is guilty. However, it seems that condoning would be a lesser offense than advocating. In a religious context, is condoning abortion a venial sin while advocating abortion a mortal sin?

I would wager that there are different answers even within the clergy.

42 posted on 03/15/2005 5:58:00 AM PST by verity (The Liberal Media and the ACLU are America's Enemies)
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To: k omalley; Salvation
Spot on K. The every growing tendency of Catholics to define doctrine on their terms has led to a congregation of egoists and anthropocentrists who weekly desecrate the Eucharist. Penance is the forgotten sacrament. If you can rationalize your sin in your personal Catholic theology (a la Joseph Martos, John Kerry, et al) then having to admit guilt and do penance is, in their thinking, so medieval it can't be true.

The sacred truths need to be reinforced from the top like this because unfortunately, they are given scant if any mention in American Catholic religion classrooms and Mass homilies.

43 posted on 03/15/2005 6:01:25 AM PST by animoveritas (Dispersit superbos mente cordis sui.)
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To: R. Scott
Being a basically honest type person, I would honestly answer “The pants don’t make your butt look big”.

LOL! Good answer! :D

44 posted on 03/15/2005 6:07:39 AM PST by kstewskis ("Tolerance is what happens when one loses their principles"....Fr. A Saenz.)
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To: sinkspur
The present state, where Catholics think nothing is a mortal sin, is a reaction to years and years of Catholics thinking everything was a mortal sin.

I think Fundamentalists could be put into the 'everything is a sin' category, but not Catholics - not now and not ever. When has drinking or dancing or gambling (except to excess) been thought a sin?

45 posted on 03/15/2005 6:10:10 AM PST by american colleen
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To: Salvation

Guess that leaves out Michael Schiavo.


46 posted on 03/15/2005 6:12:22 AM PST by madison10
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To: verity

I guess I see condoning and advocating on a continuum. At some point of public behavior or expression, the condoning becomes advocating.


47 posted on 03/15/2005 6:21:56 AM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of it!)
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To: P-Marlowe

"A mortal sin is a sin so grievous that the sinner is no longer in a state of grace...

Where does it say that in the bible?"

The relative gravity of venial and mortal sins are attested in 1 John 5:

"16 He that knoweth his brother to sin a sin which is not to death, let him ask, and life shall be given to him, who sinneth not to death. There is a sin unto death: for that I say not that you ask. 17 All iniquity is sin, but there is sin that is not mortal."


48 posted on 03/15/2005 6:22:34 AM PST by Tantumergo
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To: sinkspur
The present state, where Catholics think nothing is a mortal sin, is a reaction to years and years of Catholics thinking everything was a mortal sin.

The attraction of Calvinism?

There are things (such as losing one's temper or negligence) that can damage it, but it takes almost a premeditated act to kill a relationship with someone.

Maybe my cynicism is a bit too heavy, but I see it on a daily basis, almost as if people think anything is OK as long as they don’t get caught.
49 posted on 03/15/2005 6:31:02 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: kstewskis

I thought so. It took the kid several years to catch on to what I was saying.


50 posted on 03/15/2005 6:32:00 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: verity; xzins

"Is there any moral/ethical difference between condoning an action and advocating an action?"

As xzins mentions later, condoning and advocating would fall on a spectrum which amounts to co-operating in the sin of another. They are merely different degrees of co-operation, but both would amount to formal co-operation and hence the person condoning or advocating a sin would share in the guilt of that sin.

There is co-operation in sin which would not necessarily share in the guilt of that sin, however. One such example would be "remote material co-operation."

e.g. if you ran a hardware store and a man came in to buy a hammer and he told you that he was going to kill someone with it, then if you sold it to him you would be guilty of formal co-operation.

If the man came in to buy a hammer and did not express his evil intent, but still used it to kill someone, then this would be remote material co-operation on your part, but you would not share in the guilt of the sin.

We are guilty of formal co-operation in the sins of others by:

- participating directly and voluntarily in them
- by ordering, advising, praising, or approving them;
- by not disclosing or not hindering them when we have an obligation to do so;
- by protecting evil-doers (cf. CCC 1868)

Catholic bishops who have protected abusers please note!!!


51 posted on 03/15/2005 6:52:07 AM PST by Tantumergo
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To: Coleus

**My new bishop just banned general absolution services during lent, his first pastoral letter, and right on target.**

Excellent!


52 posted on 03/15/2005 6:55:07 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: P-Marlowe

But many Catholics, knowing they have not attended Mass, knowing that they have purposely committed a sin, still receive Communion. What they need to do first is partake in the Sacrament of Reconiciliation FIRST -- then receive Communion.

I know there is a break in the process with Protestants on the Sacrament of Reconciliation, so this may not sound reasonable to you.


53 posted on 03/15/2005 6:57:27 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: NYer

**There's the catch! Secularism, combined with poor catechesis and lackluster homiletics, has eroded the catholic's conscience. And, those who still have a conscience, oftentimes don't believe their sins are grave enough to constitute a mortal sin, regardless of what the church teaches.**

For example, someone practicing contraception according to the rules of the world vs what the church teaches.


54 posted on 03/15/2005 7:00:33 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: OptimusPrime5

Possibly a reminder that we hold fast to our faith and be prepared for persecution. It will come!


55 posted on 03/15/2005 7:01:08 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: xzins

Absolutely! Hopefully you are not jesting.


56 posted on 03/15/2005 7:03:49 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: american colleen

Thanks, excellent link!


57 posted on 03/15/2005 7:05:24 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation
OK... So what is a mortal sin again? I thought all sins where equal in the eyes of god... except for blasphemy..
58 posted on 03/15/2005 7:07:37 AM PST by todd1
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To: k omalley

I agree with your point of view, not hers. Can you encourage her to talk with a priest?


59 posted on 03/15/2005 7:08:16 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: radiohead

I haven't been to conffesion in 20 years.. I guess it is time to go...


60 posted on 03/15/2005 7:08:44 AM PST by todd1
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