[Always Right]

Since certain names like John and Peter imply a gender, should we change the names to something more neutral like Pat. Even Jesus implies a gender, perhaps a new name is in order....

[Smartaleck]

Our "Parent" who art in heaven"?.........yeah right.

[BellStar]

Matt 5:18 "For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled."

The "Jot" is the Hebrew word "Yodh" which is the 10th letter of the Hebrew alphabet. It is also the smallest letter. It's European or English equivalent is the letter "Y" as in the English term Yahweh or in Hebrew YHVH since there were no vowel's used in the ancient script.

The word "jot" itself is an English transliteration of "iota" which is the 9th letter of the Greek alphabet. "Iota," in turn, is the nearest Greek equivalent for the Hebrew yodh.

The "tittle" is the small decorative spur or point on the upper edge of the yodh. If you can imagine a tiny letter with a slightly visible decorative mark.

Tittle is used by Greek grammarians of the accents and diacritical points. It means the little lines or projections by which the Hebrew letters differ from each other. One example would be the difference between the letter L and I. The difference is only one small mark. We use phrases like "the dotting of the i, and the crossing of the t," and "every iota."

It is interesting that the Jewish scribes who copied the MT (Massoretic Text) of the Hebrew Bible scrolls paid the greatest attention to the minutiae of detail and such marks attached to each consonant throughout the entire text. They even numbered every letter, word, sentence, paragraph, chapter, section, and scroll to insure that the total equalled that of the text being copied before allowing it to enter the holy synagogue.

The meaning of the passage is very clear. Not even the smallest letter or even its decorative spur will ever disappear from the "God Breathed" Word until all is fulfilled. In fact when heaven and earth are replaced by a new heaven and earth, the Word of the Lord will have accomplished its purpose and will be fulfilled in every detail even to the very letter.

Not One "Jot Or Tittle"

Don't Mess With the Text!

[SerpentDove]

When you feel you have to water down the Bible so the Goddess-worshippers don't have a problem with it, you've gone too far.

Ridiculous. And Zondervan? Shameful.

[Tax-chick]

Jesus called God, "Father," and used the pronoun, "He." So should we.

[trebb]

Just another attempt to advance us all towards being apostate - change a thing here and there and eventually, any change is acceptable... It must really irk some folks that the man is supposed to be the spiritual head and master of the household ;-)

[EmilyGeiger]

I have always had a problem with the NIV. I was reading it and the King James(cross-referencing) the story of Philip and the Eunuch. In the NIV text, they left out a whole verse, the one about the Eunuch being baptized. I checked other NIV editions and found that these editions also left out the verse...so it was not just my bible. In Revelations we are instructed not to add to or take away from the good book.

[Wilhelm Tell]

Our Parent (not to deny the validity of a belief in many Parents or no Parent)
who is in that higher place (which some say might or might not exist and if it does exist it might or might not be a physical place, with apologies to those who do not believe there is a higher place)
your Name is just okay (just like any other name is okay)
your realm come (or not, depending on your preference)
your will be done (as long as your will is not forced on anyone)
on Gaia (which some say is a goddess, which we think might be a violation of gender neutrality, but that is not to doubt the validity of Gaia)
as it is in the higher place (again, with apologies to those who believe there is no higher place).*
*With sincere apologies to those who find prayer offensive.

[ikka]

The TNIV has been in the pot for over ten years. When the NIV was being adopted by many churches over the strenuous objections of the pro-KJV/RSV/etc. lovers the existence of the long-term plan to put out the TNIV was leaked, and Zondervan pooh-poohed the thought (basically pulled a Clinton on people about it). Now, here it is, and it is as bad as we thought.

[longtermmemmory]

actually don't blame them for this.

Removing mother and father for "parent" is also part of the the pro-homo movement.

It is actually very orwelian to remove words to control the debate.

Why not just include the word "crimethink" printed over and over?

[Hat-Trick]

Can't wait to read the TNIV translation of Proverbs 21:9

That one is pretty gender specific.

[Hat-Trick]

Ping!

[newsgatherer]

Gender neutral? Perhaps the writers of this version, should read the alst few verses of Revelation.

[Vor Lady]

Original languages ping!

[TheBigB]

I'll stick with my King James version.

[RaceBannon]

The NIV and the TNIV are both bad in words.

Some Fundamentalists will defend the translation of the NIV from the source documents it used, but it is the source documents that those same Fundamentalists decry, though!

Translated:: The translation was accurate, but the source documents are bad! It is a good translation of a bad source document.

Stick with the KJV, it has worked for centuries, and you dont need a more modern translation, you just need to read the one you have.

Besides, the King James that is printed today has had many words updated from the 1611 first release, the 1631 update, the 1640 update, the 1739 update, the 1800's update, the 1901 Schofield edition update..blah...blah...

[BraveMan]

Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

[ChevyZ28]

Which one of you didn't see something like this coming way back when Clinton first came in to office his first term? The age of political correctness we live in has gotten way out of control. We can't even go to war without being accused of being politically incorrect. This Nation is in serious trouble. More serious trouble than any of us really know or understand.

Now, the Bible, God's Holy Word is being perverted, twisted and changed in a way the Creator and savior meant to happen.
All I can say is, People get ready... Jesus is coming. He will not be happy with what He finds here on Earth.

[Zechariah_8_13]

From the TNIV Ad:

"In a world of almost endless media noise and polical spin, you wonder where you can find real truth. Well now there's a source that's accurate, clear and reliable. It's the TNIV - Today's New International Version of the Bible. It's written in today's language, for oday's times--and it makes more sense than ever."

Am I the only one who finds the implications of this ad VERY disturbing? It is saying that past versions of the Bible WERE NOT accurate, clear and reliable.

I know that no one knows the day or the hour of His return, but more and more, this world seems to be nearing the end.

[aruanan]

By the year’s end, two of the nation’s largest evangelical denominations, the SBC and the Presbyterian Church in America (PCA), passed resolutions establishing that the TNIV has “gone beyond acceptable translation standards.”

Since it is fatherhood specifically, not "parenthood", that comes from God, translations that blur the distinction are inaccurate. Since these changes are being made not to promote greater accuracy in understanding the actual text but political correctness, such a translation is, by definition, propaganda.