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Was President Reagan Saved?
christian-news-in-maine.com ^ | Billy Graham

Posted on 06/12/2004 4:23:28 PM PDT by newsgatherer

Remembering President Ronald Reagan
Rev. Billy Graham

...

During the years before Ron was elected to public office, I had often detected a spiritual side to him. For example, I remember once when I gave a small dinner party at the Beverly Hilton Hotel and invited him. He brought up the subject of the Second Coming of Christ. The same subject came up with him on other occasions as well.

I have been told that where he grew up, in Dixon, Illinois, he did some preaching himself in his late teens. At the time, he was a member of the Christian Church, which was somewhat like the Baptist Church. I kept forgetting to ask him about it, however, something that I now regret. During the eight years of Reagan's presidential administration, we saw each other a number of times. I especially appreciated his kindness in inviting Ruth and me to several states dinners for visiting foreign leaders.

One night while I was staying at the White House, Nancy and the President got into a discussion about the question of salvation -- who was going to be saved and who was going to be lost. He gave her his views on conversion and the new birth right out of the Bible. She turned to me.

"Billy, is that right?"

I said it was ...

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To: Dr. Eckleburg
>"As written in 1 Peter 1:18, "Forasmuch as ye know ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold..."

YES! Finish the quotation: "but with the precious blood of Christ, as a lamb with out blemish."

The sign of the cross is to remind the person so gesturing of that one, full, and sufficient sacrifice for the sins of the world. It is also to remind the person so gesturing that all of one's being stands under the grace and judgment of the cross, that all of one's life is to be similarly surrendered as per Romans 12:1.

This may seem hairsplitting semantics, but there is a distinction between corporate worship and personal devotion. The sign of the cross is a personal devotion, albeit frequently used by those who are worshiping corporately. Within most Episcopalian or Lutheran congregations one will observe a great diversity of practice; some sign the cross, others do not. Congregations are broadly tolerant of the range personal piety expressed.

Please remember that Episcopalians share Calvinist roots.
41 posted on 06/13/2004 2:45:21 PM PDT by lightman
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To: Jack Armstrong
'Everyone who has ever been born on this earth IS SAVED!'
Eh? Please elaborate...with scripture.
42 posted on 06/13/2004 2:51:46 PM PDT by jboot (Faith is not a work)
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To: jboot
I am LCMS Lutheran, been one my entire life, still somewhat young 35 and make sign of cross left to right after prayer. I know many other Lutherans, who are very evangelical who also still make the sign. Just because a Christan makes the sign of the cross does not have to make him catholic! for my as an evangelical Protestant it is a reminder of the true Focus of all my Prayers the Cross! Maybe the same is for Michael Reagan.

In Christ
43 posted on 06/13/2004 3:41:05 PM PDT by BQ91
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To: BQ91; narses

***as an evangelical Protestant it is a reminder of the true Focus of all my Prayers the Cross! Maybe the same is for Michael Reagan.***

Yep. I think this is on target and explains Michael's making the Sign of the Cross.


44 posted on 06/13/2004 4:06:38 PM PDT by drstevej
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To: BQ91
Evangelical, after all, means to proclaim the Good News of salvation. Proclamation can occur without using spoken words.

The sign of the cross is a nonverbal proclamation, one which might well prompt a non-believer to ask, in the words of Dr. Luther, "What does this mean?"
45 posted on 06/13/2004 4:12:25 PM PDT by lightman
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To: BQ91
Evangelical, after all, means to proclaim the Good News of salvation. Proclamation can occur without using spoken words.

The sign of the cross is a nonverbal proclamation, one which might well prompt a non-believer to ask, in the words of Dr. Luther, "What does this mean?"
46 posted on 06/13/2004 4:12:54 PM PDT by lightman
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To: narses; NYer; AAABEST; livius

Reagan religion ping.


47 posted on 06/13/2004 4:20:44 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah

I don't do the sign of the cross....partly because I am extremely uncoordinated and it would take me a long time to get it right...lol...but also just because I don't believe in outward symbols like that.

But, I don't condemn those who do so. It is one of the few aspects of the RCC/Orthodox practice I think is fine.

Of course, when hypocrites like Kerry do it.....well, that does piss me off. But, not a sincere person who is not doing it for show, but out of full devotion to Christ.

It doesn't seem to be any different to me than those folks who feel compelled to raise their hands when singing worship to God. I don't do that either (well, I did privately in my car today for the first time ever...the worship song was just incredible as I was driving home from church...but, I would not do it in church). It is not sinful, and neither is signing thet cross in my opinion. If heartfelt, it is a very powerful, humble gesture.


48 posted on 06/13/2004 5:08:46 PM PDT by rwfromkansas ("Am I not destroying my enemies when I make friends of them?" -- Abraham Lincoln)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

got to love those S. African Presby pastors. My college chaplain is one and has that same infectious love for God as Wenning.


49 posted on 06/13/2004 5:11:18 PM PDT by rwfromkansas ("Am I not destroying my enemies when I make friends of them?" -- Abraham Lincoln)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

I would not do it in church because it is not an element of worship.

I am obviously a big proponent of the Regulative Principle, and I believe in several core aspects of worship that Scripture uses.

The sign of the cross is not one of them. I don't think it is sinful to do it in private devotion or something though. It can be very humbling and devotional.


50 posted on 06/13/2004 5:13:58 PM PDT by rwfromkansas ("Am I not destroying my enemies when I make friends of them?" -- Abraham Lincoln)
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To: lightman

I would be interested in surveying the Calvinist Episcopalian branches (I am aware of two) to see what people there do.


51 posted on 06/13/2004 5:15:33 PM PDT by rwfromkansas ("Am I not destroying my enemies when I make friends of them?" -- Abraham Lincoln)
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To: rwfromkansas

Most likely as in other Episcopal or Lutheran parishes; a variety of personal practices ranging from those who always sign, those who sometimes sign, and those who never sign; with no "group" feeling superior or inferior to the other.


52 posted on 06/13/2004 5:19:04 PM PDT by lightman
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Ronald Reagan is singing in the throne room of the King of King and Lord of Lords.

He indeed was and is saved by the grace and mercy of God.

My elect Brother's life is a testimony to the Doctrines of Grace and the ordination of God, and He knew it

Pro 21:1
The king's heart [is] in the hand of the LORD, [as] the rivers of water: he turneth it whithersoever he will.


53 posted on 06/13/2004 5:47:10 PM PDT by RnMomof7 (You did not chose me, I chose)
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
My paternal side is/was Anglican and Episcopalian. They speak the Sign of the Cross but do not perform the physical action.

Must have been "low church."  The two Episcopal parishes I was in both performed the physical action of the Sign of the Cross consistently.
54 posted on 06/13/2004 8:51:08 PM PDT by Celtman (It's never right to do wrong to do right.)
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To: Celtman

My grandfather was a deacon in the Episcopal Church in America for decades. He became a priest before he died. My grandmother's family came from Ireland, England and Scotland.

I don't know about the different designations between high church and low church, I simply know what was told to me. The Episcopalian services I have attended are virtually identical to the current Catholic Novus Ordo Mass.


55 posted on 06/13/2004 9:12:03 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

It was by choice in Patty's case that she has no children. She had her tubes tied, and then later tried to reverse the process, but it was not successful. Sad really. I understand what you are saying about the relationship Reagan had with his children, but after reading Patty's book (s) that was my conclusion about her. I have never really heard Ron Jr. say much about it actually, but I suppose actions speak louder than words.


56 posted on 06/13/2004 9:32:45 PM PDT by ladyinred (RIP Governor/President Reagan, ride peacefully into that sunset.)
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To: rwfromkansas

You were driving... and you raised your hands in the air.
:^0


57 posted on 06/13/2004 9:39:10 PM PDT by A.J.Armitage (http://calvinist-libertarians.blogspot.com/)
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To: drstevej
I think Patti and Ronnie, jr. are free agents.

I think you are right. I can only hope that after the relationship Patty had with her parents was restored that she changed, but I don' t know. She came across as very new age in her book.

58 posted on 06/13/2004 9:43:18 PM PDT by ladyinred (RIP Governor/President Reagan, ride peacefully into that sunset.)
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To: wai-ming
Oedipus complex?

I am not sure, but it was very strange reading her book. She resented the fact that her father would take her Mother's side in any dispute she had with her, and seemed to always be in competition with Nancy for his attention and affection. Really sad situation then that is for sure. She was also very clear that she was totally against her fathers' conservative political views being very liberal herself.

While I am sure the relationship she had with her parents wasn't always good, it is just wonderful to me that she came around later and seems to have accepted Ron and Nancy's great love for each other.

59 posted on 06/13/2004 9:53:22 PM PDT by ladyinred (RIP Governor/President Reagan, ride peacefully into that sunset.)
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To: A.J.Armitage

Yes....but VERY briefly obviously...lol.

It was a Kansas country road, not the interstate. :)

But, I have to keep my hands on the wheel. I am not somebody who can eat while driving or something or I will swerve all over the place. So yes I did, but just for about 3 seconds and then I grabbed the steering wheel...


60 posted on 06/13/2004 9:55:25 PM PDT by rwfromkansas ("Am I not destroying my enemies when I make friends of them?" -- Abraham Lincoln)
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