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Was President Reagan Saved?
christian-news-in-maine.com ^ | Billy Graham

Posted on 06/12/2004 4:23:28 PM PDT by newsgatherer

Remembering President Ronald Reagan
Rev. Billy Graham

...

During the years before Ron was elected to public office, I had often detected a spiritual side to him. For example, I remember once when I gave a small dinner party at the Beverly Hilton Hotel and invited him. He brought up the subject of the Second Coming of Christ. The same subject came up with him on other occasions as well.

I have been told that where he grew up, in Dixon, Illinois, he did some preaching himself in his late teens. At the time, he was a member of the Christian Church, which was somewhat like the Baptist Church. I kept forgetting to ask him about it, however, something that I now regret. During the eight years of Reagan's presidential administration, we saw each other a number of times. I especially appreciated his kindness in inviting Ruth and me to several states dinners for visiting foreign leaders.

One night while I was staying at the White House, Nancy and the President got into a discussion about the question of salvation -- who was going to be saved and who was going to be lost. He gave her his views on conversion and the new birth right out of the Bible. She turned to me.

"Billy, is that right?"

I said it was ...

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To: DManA

I'm talking about the Sign of the Cross being a Catholic/Orthodox thing. No one else does it.


21 posted on 06/12/2004 7:55:00 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: drstevej

I am not disputing whether he attends an evangelical Protestant church or not. I am asking why an evangelical Protestant would make the Sign of the Cross. Do you and why not?


22 posted on 06/12/2004 7:56:57 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah

If I grew up Catholic I might do it from habit rather than a conscious action. I, on the other hand grew up Methodist and would not think to do it since I have never practiced that expression.


23 posted on 06/12/2004 8:05:27 PM PDT by drstevej
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah

I noticed that too.


24 posted on 06/12/2004 8:11:55 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah

This may solve our questions. I got it in a reply via FReepmail.

**Ronald Reagan's father was Catholic, and his mother Protestant. His elder brother was baptized Catholic. But his father was not an especially successful husband/provider, and Ronald was brought up Protestant.**


25 posted on 06/12/2004 8:16:00 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: newsgatherer

I was certain Reagan would not have gotten away with any meeting with Billy Graham--especially an hour+ long one discussing Revelation and the 2nd Coming . . . without Billy G being satisfied about Reagan's Salvation experience with Jesus The Christ.

I got a kick out of Franklin Graham discussing Reagan on Fox. Franklin NEVER misses a chance, no matter how brief his bit on any Network, without giving a brief statement about accepting Christ as Savior, Lord etc. This time--must have been a 2-5 minute bit--Franklin managed it 3 TIMES in that short span. LOL GREAT JOB FRANKLIN!


26 posted on 06/12/2004 8:22:46 PM PDT by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Ronald Reagan was a good actor, a great President, and a lousy father. Or so it would seem.

Not sure about that. I read Patti's book of bashing that she wrote several years ago, and most of her problems were with her mother, not her father. I got the impression, very strongly in fact, that Patti was the problem, a spoiled selfish child who wanted all of the attention. She was jealous of her father's affection for her Mother which to me was odd.

27 posted on 06/12/2004 9:24:35 PM PDT by ladyinred (RIP Governor/President Reagan, ride peacefully into that sunset.)
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To: drstevej
I have never practiced that expression

Better get practising if you have your eye on that throne old buddy.

28 posted on 06/12/2004 11:11:46 PM PDT by MarMema (Up, up, up, there's nowhere to go from here but up.)
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To: ladyinred
True, but a man and woman who raise two unhappy, resentful kids must be doing something wrong as parents.

Ron Reagan said last week he had never had a serious, in-depth discussion about anything with his father in his entire life.

That's either true, and a terrible indictment of the father.

Or it's false, but the son still believes it anyway, which also reflects poorly on the father.

Ronald Reagan died having no grandchildren of his own. His adopted son, Michael, obviously loved and appreciated him, and gave him grandkids.

But the fact remains his three biological children ended the Reagan line.

You have to figure that was by choice.

29 posted on 06/12/2004 11:23:02 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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To: Salvation; drstevej; Canticle_of_Deborah
Ronald Reagan was a member of the Bel Air Presbyterian Church for decades. Rev. Wenning, the Presbyterian minister who presided over the California funeral, is the retired senior pastor for the Bel Air Presbyterian Church and ministered to the Reagans in their home regularly after the President became too ill to attend Sunday services.

Sorry. As much as the Catholics on the forum would like to claim them, President Ronald Reagan was born to a Protestant mother, baptized Protestant, became a practicing Presbyterian in good and faithful church standing, and raised a son, Michael, who is now an Evangelical Protestant.

30 posted on 06/13/2004 12:16:07 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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To: newsgatherer

Was he saved? I don't know. Why don't you ask God.


31 posted on 06/13/2004 4:16:37 AM PDT by OpusatFR (Vote Kerry if you want to commit national suicide)
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To: MarMema

***Better get practising if you have your eye on that throne old buddy.***

Careful, for some around here that is grounds for the accusation of Catholic bashing. *sigh*


32 posted on 06/13/2004 4:47:10 AM PDT by drstevej
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

***Sorry. As much as the Catholics on the forum would like to claim them, President Ronald Reagan was born to a Protestant mother, baptized Protestant, became a practicing Presbyterian in good and faithful church standing, and raised a son, Michael, who is now an Evangelical Protestant.***

I think Patti and Ronnie, jr. are free agents.


33 posted on 06/13/2004 4:48:12 AM PDT by drstevej
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To: ladyinred
She was jealous of her father's affection for her Mother

Oedipus complex?

34 posted on 06/13/2004 4:48:20 AM PDT by wai-ming
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah

Newsgatherer -> Baptised a 11 in 1922

you -> yes, that's what clued me in. We Catholics baptize infants so I knew from there he was a Proddie.

me -> That's not uniquely a Cathy practice. Lots of Proddies practice infant baptism also.

you ->I'm talking about the Sign of the Cross


Guess you are having trouble keeping your treads of conversation straight. Also not unique to cathys.


35 posted on 06/13/2004 6:26:16 AM PDT by DManA
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To: DManA; Canticle_of_Deborah
The sign of the Cross, Western style (left to right) is certainly a catholic custom but not a uniquely Roman one. It is routinely used both in public worship and private devotions by Episcopalians and Lutherans.

Martin Luther included this gesture in his suggestions for daily morning and evening personal devotions in his Small Catechism of 1529: "In the morning, when you rise, make the sign of the cross and say "In the name of God, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Amen." "In the evening, when you retire, make the sign of the cross and say "In the name of God, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Amen." This devotional was then to be followed, either kneeling or standing, with the Apostles' Creed and the Lord's Prayer.

Sadly there are few practitioners of these devotions any more. I know a few faithful Pastors who teach this and expect this of their Confirmation students.
36 posted on 06/13/2004 9:15:46 AM PDT by lightman
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To: DManA

Guess you are having trouble with reading comprehension. I said the Catholics and Orthodox do it. No evangelical Protestant that I know of would perform it.

My paternal side is/was Anglican and Episcopalian. They speak the Sign of the Cross but do not perform the physical action.


37 posted on 06/13/2004 10:51:03 AM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
Only if you are typing in some English like language I never heard of. I replayed the conversation. Nothing about the sign of the cross. Where did I go wrong? Newsgatherer -> Baptised a 11 in 1922 you -> yes, that's what clued me in. We Catholics baptize infants so I knew from there he was a Proddie. me -> That's not uniquely a Cathy practice. Lots of Proddies practice infant baptism also. you ->I'm talking about the Sign of the Cross
38 posted on 06/13/2004 10:55:20 AM PDT by DManA
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To: lightman; drstevej; OrthodoxPresbyterian; RnMomof7; A.J.Armitage; Gamecock; HarleyD; irishtenor; ...
Perhaps the Calvinists resisted the temptation to cross oneself because it was/is seen as further evidence of something extra-Biblical and self-agrandizing.

"Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men." -- Mark 7:7.

We're instructed to love God, pray, repent, love others, read Scripture, praise His name to the world, do good, make the earth prosper, be baptized in His name, partake of a commemorative Lord's Supper, give joyful thanks for the many gifts He's given us, raise loving and righteous children, and in all things, glorify God forever.

But we're instructed by God in the New Testament to use only three elements in worship -- water, bread and wine.

As written in 1 Peter 1:18, "Forasmuch as ye know ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold..."

39 posted on 06/13/2004 11:55:41 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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To: newsgatherer

Was Reaga saved?
Everyone who has ever been born on this earth IS SAVED!
Jesus did His work at Calvary!
Now the question is .. .. ..
Did Ronald Reagan Believe In that Salvation?
Yes ! There is no doubt he was Born Again of the Holy Spirit through the Life giving Blood of Jesus Christ!

Is the Pope saved ?


40 posted on 06/13/2004 12:25:25 PM PDT by Jack Armstrong (a Post Modern America adrift in the Dark)
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