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The relics in at the Wittenburg Castle Church of Luther's Day
The Reformation: A Narrative History Related by Contemporary Observers and Participants | 1964 | Hans J. Hillerbrand, ed.

Posted on 01/03/2004 6:49:39 AM PST by drstevej

Source: Hans J. Hillerbrand, ed. The Reformation: A Narrative History Related by Contemporary Observers and Participants (Harper and Row, Inc. 1964, Reprint Baker Book House, 1978) pp. 47-49.

The Castle Church at Wittenberg, where Luther probably posted his ninety-five theses, was famous for its extensive collection of relics, as the following excerpt from what might be called the official catalogue's shows.

... Three pieces of the city where the Virgin Mary was born. One piece of a yarn which she spun. One piece of the house where she lived at the age of fourteen. Two pieces of the city of Mt Zion where Mary lived. Two pieces of the room where Mary was greeted by the angel. Five particles of the milk of the Virgin Mary. One piece of the tree where Mary nursed the Lord near the Garden of Balsam. Four pieces of the hair of Mary. Three pieces of the shirt of Mary. Three pieces of one robe of Mary. Eight pieces of other robes of Mary. Four pieces of the belt of Mary. Seven pieces of the veil of Mary. Two pieces of the veil of Mary which was sprinkled with the blood of Christ under the Cross. One piece of the city where Mary died. One piece of the wax candle given to Our Lady when she died. Six pieces of the grave of Mary. Two pieces of the earth of the grave of Mary. One piece of the place where Mary ascended into heaven. VI. A silver picture of the little baby Jesus. Four pieces of the city where the Lord Jesus was born. One piece of the diaper in which he was wrapped. Thirteen pieces of the manger of Jesus. One piece of the cradle. Two pieces of the hay. One piece of the straw on which the Lord lay when he was born. One piece of the gold and of the myrrh which the Three Kings offered unto the Lord. One piece of the city where the Lord Jesus was circumcised. VII. Four pieces of the mountain on which the Lord Jesus fasted. Two pieces of the city where Christ preached the Lord's Prayer. One piece of the stone on which Jesus stood while weeping over Jerusalem. One piece of the stone from which Christ got on the donkey. Two pieces of the ground where the Lord Christ was arrested. VIII.... Five pieces of the table on which the Lord Christ held the Last Supper with his disciples. One piece of the bread of which Christ ate with his disciples during the Last Supper. IX.... One piece of the land which was bought for the thirty pieces of silver for which Christ was betrayed. One piece of the Holy Land. Three pieces of the stone where the Lord sweated blood. One piece of the ground where the Lord sweated blood. One piece of the stone sprinkled with the blood of Christ. X. Three pieces of the Mount of Olives and of the rod of Aaron. Two pieces of the rod of Moses. One piece of the burning bush which Moses saw. One piece of an object sprinkled with the blood of Christ. Eleven pieces of Mount Calvary. Two pieces of the Mount of Olives. XI. One piece of the cloth with which the Lord wiped his disciples' feet. One piece of the robe of Christ: One piece of the seamless robe of Christ. One piece of the robe of Christ. One piece of his purple robe. Two pieces of the cloth which St Veronica received from the Lord. Three pieces of the white robe in which the Lord was ridiculed by Herod . Three pieces of the cloth with which our Lord's holy eyes were blindfolded. One piece of the beard of the Lord Jesus. XII. One piece of the wax of the candles which touched the sudarium of Christ. One piece of the wedge with which the cross of Christ was held. Three pieces of the stone on which the cross stood. Three pieces of the place where the cross of Christ was found. Twelve pieces of the column where the Lord Christ was scourged and flogged.

The Eight Aisle. I. One piece of the rope with which Jesus was tied. Three pieces of the rod with which the Lord Jesus was scourged. Three pieces of the whip with which the Lord Jesus was flogged. One piece of the stone upon which the Lord Jesus sat when he was crowned. One piece of the stone which was crushed while the Lord carried the cross. One piece of the sponge with which the Lord was given vinegar and gall.... III. Two pieces of the crown of the Lord Jesus. Eight complete thorns of the crown of the Lord Jesus. IV. One large piece of one nail which was driven through the hands or feet of the Lord Jesus. V. A thorn which wounded the holy head of the Lord Jesus. VI. One piece of the holy cross.... VII. Three pieces of the holy cross. VIII. Three pieces of the three kinds of wood of the cross of Christ. IX. A particularly large piece from the holy cross. X. Twenty-five pieces of the holy cross. XI. One piece of the stone which lay on the grave of Christ. Twenty-two pieces of the grave of Christ. One piece of the stone from which Christ descended into heaven. XII. A casket lined with silver in which are found sixteen hundred and seventy-eight pieces. Seventy-six pieces of holy remains. Bones from holy places which on account of faded writing can no longer be read and identified. All in all : five thousand and five pieces. An indulgence of one hundred days for each piece. There are eight halls and each hall has an indulgence of one hundred and one days in addition. Blessed are those who participate therein.


Lucas Cranach, Wittemberger Heiligthumsbuch.


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To: drstevej
So, when are you going to become Catholic???
221 posted on 01/04/2004 6:09:15 PM PST by Gotterdammerung
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To: Gotterdammerung; drstevej
So, when are you going to become Catholic???

Are you praying for Steve's conversion too?

222 posted on 01/04/2004 6:19:36 PM PST by old and tired
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To: drstevej
Hey, are folks Lutheran bashing here?
225 posted on 01/04/2004 11:23:09 PM PST by sfRummygirl (SAVE TERRI SHINDLER SCHIAVO...www.terrisfight.org)
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To: redgolum
Yeah, I think people should realise that Lutherans don't worship Luther. He said alot of stuff that was just examples of him being a sinning human like all of us. But God worked through him in other ways. And gave us a lot.
226 posted on 01/04/2004 11:28:02 PM PST by sfRummygirl (SAVE TERRI SHINDLER SCHIAVO...www.terrisfight.org)
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To: MizRiz9
Thank you for posting....I was reading this thread for education, and I found a lot of hostility to protestants, Lutheran's specifically....yuk.
227 posted on 01/04/2004 11:33:48 PM PST by sfRummygirl (SAVE TERRI SHINDLER SCHIAVO...www.terrisfight.org)
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To: Catholicguy
That pisses me off.
228 posted on 01/04/2004 11:37:01 PM PST by sfRummygirl (SAVE TERRI SHINDLER SCHIAVO...www.terrisfight.org)
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To: drstevej
Well, as a new Christian, this thread has made me sad. I don't mean to be pollyanna about this, but I think people who have been Christian for a long time might forget what it is all about? And right after Christmas?
Theological debate is great...but don't forget the bigger picture. Ok?
229 posted on 01/04/2004 11:50:40 PM PST by sfRummygirl (SAVE TERRI SHINDLER SCHIAVO...www.terrisfight.org)
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To: Elsie
Since the thread we were on has been flamed so it would get moved to the back room (plus an even worse, and very vulgar, natural-woman FRmail to me from the same poster), I reply to you here.

Your #201: So that's all it takes, huh?

If you were Jewish, challenging something Jesus said in the New Testament, I would say the same thing. It is all about Scripture that actually is the Word of God, but you do not yet accept it as such. You should inquire of the Lord concerning it, that you may know for yourself and not take my word for it.

Sometimes as the still small voice bears witness, people do not recognize it for what it is. Only later do they realize that the Holy Spirit has been witnessing to them for some time, as in the following:

Luke 24:30-33
30 And it came to pass, as he sat at meat with them, he took bread, and blessed it, and brake, and gave to them.
31 And their eyes were opened, and they knew him; and he vanished out of their sight.
32 And they said one to another, Did not our heart burn within us, while he talked with us by the way, and while he opened to us the scriptures?
33 And they rose up the same hour, and returned to Jerusalem, and found the eleven gathered together, and them that were with them,

1 Kings 19:11-12
11 And he said, Go forth, and stand upon the mount before the LORD. And, behold, the LORD passed by, and a great and strong wind rent the mountains, and brake in pieces the rocks before the LORD; but the LORD was not in the wind: and after the wind an earthquake; but the LORD was not in the earthquake:
12 And after the earthquake a fire; but the LORD was not in the fire: and after the fire a still small voice.
Other times people say they were called many times but they would not hear.
230 posted on 01/05/2004 12:21:11 AM PST by White Mountain (By their fruits ye shall know them.)
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To: sfRummygirl; Elsie; Quester
Your #229 to the poster of the article: Well, as a new Christian, this thread has made me sad. I don't mean to be pollyanna about this, but I think people who have been Christian for a long time might forget what it is all about? And right after Christmas? Theological debate is great...but don't forget the bigger picture. Ok?

There are people posting here who profess to be Christians but who behave like modern-day Pharisees. Unfortunate, but true. Jesus said, "By their fruits ye shall know them." When their fruit is contention and false accusation, that should be your first clue.

By the way, I am a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormon), and they are rather hostile towards me and my faith. You can see some examples of that if you follow the link in my previous post. (I am not talking about Elsie or Quester, but some of the others.)

Best wishes to a new disciple of Christ!

231 posted on 01/05/2004 12:41:03 AM PST by White Mountain (By their fruits ye shall know them.)
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To: White Mountain

232 posted on 01/05/2004 1:23:34 AM PST by A.J.Armitage (http://calvinist-libertarians.blogspot.com/)
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To: A.J.Armitage
Good post.
233 posted on 01/05/2004 2:03:01 AM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian
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To: White Mountain
Still keeping up the appearances of thread virginity I see.
234 posted on 01/05/2004 3:02:06 AM PST by Wrigley
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To: sfRummygirl
Thank you so much for your kind words, for a while I thought I was imaging all this. I can tell you I have NEVER experienced anything quite like it. I really thought that Vatican II had opened peoples minds... I did hear of this kind of thing with the early Christians -- they were accused of all sorts of crazy things like being cannibals.

I actually thought I would find more people like Piers-the-Ploughman who is intelligent, and articulate while putting forth his belief and does not resort to bashing.

Thanks again!
235 posted on 01/05/2004 3:12:24 AM PST by MizRiz9
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To: White Mountain; CARepubGal; RnMomof7; CCWoody; Jean Chauvin; Alex Murphy; Elsie; Gamecock; ...
This is your second example of your FR rule breaking in your last two posts. FR has a rule against thread jumping and bringing up issues in those threads that do not belong in another thread.

In post #231 you bring up comments you don't like from a differnet thread, you even mention the link again, to bring controversy to this thread. You broke FR's rules.

Previously in post #230, you say "Since the thread we were on has been flamed so it would get moved to the back room (plus an even worse, and very vulgar, natural-woman FRmail to me from the same poster), I reply to you here."

Not only do you bring up some freepmail that may or may not exist, I don't know if this freepmail does exist, you could easily be making this up since you have just shown that you aren't above breaking FR posting rules. But you also link back to another thread to comment on another thread that you could still post to, it hasn't been pulled, it still exists on FR, but choose not to because you need to keep some appearance of holiness by not posting to the backroom. There is no good reason for you to bring your comment here when it should have been addressed on the apporpriate thread.

So, White, you've broken FR's posting rules twice, and pushed the envelope on another. What will you do? Will you realize your error and apologize and drop the hypocritical, natural behavior you've exhibited? Or will you white wash your behavior and explain it away?

Which will it be White? Will you take the honest road?
236 posted on 01/05/2004 3:44:15 AM PST by Wrigley
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To: sfRummygirl
Hey, are folks Lutheran bashing here?

Lutherans? No. Luther...well, not exactly bashing, just pointing out the untruths that he spread about Catholicism, namely on the subjects of relics and indulgences. Please read through the thread and see what the church REALLY teaches on those subjects.
237 posted on 01/05/2004 4:48:28 AM PST by Desdemona (Kempis' Imitation of Christ online! http://www.leaderu.com/cyber/books/imitation/imitation.html)
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To: MizRiz9
I really thought that Vatican II had opened peoples minds...

Vatican II was hijacked by a bunch of liberals. The documents themselves bear no resemblance to what the people were told.
238 posted on 01/05/2004 4:51:23 AM PST by Desdemona (Kempis' Imitation of Christ online! http://www.leaderu.com/cyber/books/imitation/imitation.html)
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To: Desdemona
***Vatican II was hijacked by a bunch of liberals. The documents themselves bear no resemblance to what the people were told.***

So much for respecting and ecumenical council.
239 posted on 01/05/2004 5:15:16 AM PST by drstevej
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To: drstevej

...and a partridge in a pear tree!


240 posted on 01/05/2004 5:36:37 AM PST by Elsie (When the avalanche starts... it's too late for the pebbles to vote....)
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