cheap trick behind the most devastating lie in the history of mankind

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_Poll ^ | 10/15/2003 | self

[Truth666]

Here are the some of the results of a 1999 Gallup poll on creationism, evolution, and public education :
49% believe that human beings have developed over millions of years from less advanced forms of life.
Evolution theory is the most important weapon to twist people's minds.
For 99% of the people the most important REAL reason for believing in it : a trick that costed a few bucks, 100 years ago.
Even more incredible : the trick has remained the same until now.
Only lately, with very fast computers that allow virtual reality software to perform convincing enough, have we seen some effects added to the base trick.
I wonder who is the first Freeper to find out the trick behind the most devastating lie in the history of mankind.

[dangus]

>>>>Why is it so important for some to cast Hitler as a Christian when he clearly was not?

>>Because creationists cast him as an atheist motivated by evolution, which he is not

So you're supplanting one untruth with another?

>> I agree with you that I would not consider him a Christian, but he considered himself a Christian in all his writings, and he believed he was doing God's work.

He had plans to, if necessary, destroy the Vatican and install a puppet anti-Pope in what he would call "The Holy Roman Empire," so as to claim the support of the Pope. If he had done that, would you say he was Catholic? He lied, relying on the ignorance of the people. Most people in the world distrust atheism, so those atheists who wish to impose their beliefs on the world do so by lying. Then other atheists, when confronted with the evil done by the world-domination atheists can say, "he wasn't an atheist" without reflecting on how to prevent atheism from leading to megalomaniacs.

When we judge whether someone believed in God or not, we have to look to their own private writings. In this regard, William F. Buckley, who has made himself an ally of Christianity, is, as I understand it, an agnostic. I'm a little wary of Pascal's wager, even. So not all privately agnostic people are evil, or are even deceitful. But since most of the world trusts a religionist over an atheist, one does have to verify that one who claims a religion, and seeks public power, really is religious.

[Ogmios]

Your whole premise is wrong, I was going to ignore the silly statement that started this fun little free for all.

Evolution is the best scientific theory to explain the evidence that now exists, if evidence comes to light, actual scientific evidence, that disproves evolution, a new theory will rise up in it's place, but until then, Your socalled "lie" will continue to be the best scientific explanation to fit the evidence that exist.

No lie, just a scientific theory that best fits the evidence.

It is so sad to see fanatics jump all over evolution like it is some sort of conspiracy, it is science, nothing more, nothing less. Whether you personally like it or not.

Your whole reason for starting this thread is comedic in the extreme, it shows nothing but fanaticism, and a closed mind to the scientific evidence at hand.

[dangus]

Whoops... my bad... Yes, he believed the Jesus which was transmitted to us was corrupted by Jews. Sorry, but I did learn all this years ago.

[<1/1,000,000th%]

Now you're just messin' with me. But I have to run to lunch.

"I'll be back."

[<1/1,000,000th%]

Nice link.

[DonQ]

I had always assumed that the most devastating lies in history included:
The Protocols of Zion
The Donation of Constantine
The Failures of the League of Nations

[Joe Bonforte]

From what you said, one could draw the false implication that the inquisitors wanted to kill more people. The inquisitors did not kill anyone who professed Judaism or Islam. They killed only those who professed Catholicism, but whom they believed to hold other beliefs incompatible with Catholicism. The intent was to weed out infiltration and subversion, and their means were, for their day, so principled that many accused of civil crimes actually faked heresy so as to be tried by the inquisitors rather than the local law enforcement.

Today the following may not sound like much, but given the time, was remarkable: No-one was ever tortured for more than 15 minutes; no-one was ever tortured more than twice; fewer than one percent were ever tortured twice.

OK, you've convinced me. They were all around great guys, probably because they did not believe in evolution.

[Doctor Stochastic]

My complaint is not with the research, but the sensationalist hype with which they bypass peer review and go straight to the press, baiting the press with laughably misleading assertions.

Sort of the Behe, Dembski, ID crowd's methodology. They (along with Pons&Fleishman and Sagan) tend to contact the press first and try publishing later (if ever.)

[MontanaBeth]

I bow to your superior knowledge, wisdom and ability to talk in complete sentences. You must be college educated. Whereas to believe in God, you are ignorant, cursed with "mushy" thought processes and obviously never went on to higher education or you would think solid thoughts.
Now let's just move on....by the way, do you just post at religious theme threads to show how "lucid" you are, or to prove to persons who believe in God, how stupid and incapable of solid thoughts, rationale discourse or the ability to communicate in complete sentences. Thanks for setting my mushy brain straight. I feel so much smarter now.

[Modernman]

Communism is based on the theory of evolution, just like nazis.

Communism is based on the Communist Manifesto, which makes no mention of biology or evolution whatsoever- it's essentially a treatise on economics.

Nazism is based on primitive notions of race and genetic superiority which arose from the ramblings of a quasi-educated frustrated Austrian artist.

If you want to make a statement like that, please back it up. It would be akin to me saying "Christian fundamentalism is based on Nazism"- a statement not based on any facts.

[Doctor Stochastic]

But the fanatics (Creationists and their soul-mates, the PostModernDeconstructionists) are against evolutionary theory because it is science. In many (if not almost all) cases, they extend their attacks to physics, astronomy, chemistry, geology, among others. The Creationists-PostModernDeconstrucionists claim to have some type of "superior" knowledge that is to be used even when the evidence is otherwise.

[Junior]

I also believe in God. However, I exercise the brain God has given me in an effort to communicate more lucidly. I wasn't disparaging your communication skills; I was pointing out the author of this thread is incapable of writing a grammatically-correct sentences and shows other evidence of mushy thinking. That you seem to believe I've tarred you with the same brush makes me wonder at your motivations.

[Ogmios]

But of course, I also saw you post on last thursday, I found it rather amusing since I did it as well, only I use yesterday instead.

We have superior knowledge, do we not, because we can claim that, and no one can prove us wrong. That's what the creationists are counting on, problem is, that we didn't put it down in writing, so we can change it whenever we want.

They are trapped, because they wrote it down and it is unerring.

Kind of like being in a round room and telling them to sit in a corner. When in fact there are no corners, but they believe there are. And in a certain way of thinking, there would be infinite amount of corners in a round room. All depends on how willing you are turn off your common sense.

[PatrickHenry]

Communism is based on the Communist Manifesto, which makes no mention of biology or evolution whatsoever- it's essentially a treatise on economics.

Almost all of Marx's work was published before Darwin published anything about evolution. So Marx was a full-blown commie totally independent of evolution. His final work, Das Capital, was published later, but made no mention of Darwin or his work. He tried to snatch a bit of Darwin's fame by attempting to dedicate the book to Darwin, but Darwin refused the "honor," saying that he didn't understand Marx's work. That brief exchange was the only contact the two men ever had.

Hitler ... ah, where was the biology training in his background? He wanted to be an artist, or an architect. He knew nothing of Darwin's work. In the field of economics, the closest thing to "survival of the fittest" is the free enterprise system, which Hitler opposed. Stalin too (and Stalin had studied for the priesthood. No biology exposure there).

There are over 9,000 biology teachers in the US. All of them exposed to the allegedly destructive teachings of Darwin. How many of them are mass murderers? Tyrants? Nazis? Probably not one.

Finally, communism has been around long before Darwin. Read William Bradford's diary, "Of Plymouth Plantation." The Mayflower pilgrims initially established a commune system, based on their reading of scripture. Had to give it up or they would have all starved to death.

[Doctor Stochastic]

The Earth has no corners but is round. (It does have nooks and crannies however.)

[bethelgrad]

"...your admission that the Genesis account is no more than a lovely story."

Wait! I never reduced it to that. I just presented its limitations as literary prose. It is, as Orthodox Christianity has maintained, inspired literature with theological implications.

It is limited to "who" created, but says nothing of the process. In its context, the Genesis account had more of a polemical use against competing creation stories that were full of incredible imagery. Genesis reduces the imagery to simply saying God did it. Very simple in comparison.

[js1138]

But since most of the world trusts a religionist over an atheist...

People trust charismatic people regardless of reason or ideology. It's true that hundreds of people killed their children on the word of Jim Jones, so I suppose you are correct as far as that goes.

If Hitler and Stalin opposed religion it was because it threatened their political power. For nearly fifteen hundred years the kings of Europe embraced religion because it reinforced their power. When the church opposed Henry VIII he killed the chruchmen and started a religion more to his liking. Established religion in the west has always been about power. The "atheist" leaders of the twentieth century came to power in part because they opposed the powerful of the time. The only "ideas" that had any traction during these times were "let's kill the rich ad take their money." Everything else was just marketing.

[dangus]

I agree wholeheartedly

[dangus]

>> There are over 9,000 biology teachers in the US. All of them exposed to the allegedly destructive teachings of Darwin. How many of them are mass murderers? Tyrants? Nazis? Probably not one.

Gotta disagree with you... Poll any high school biology class, and at least 70% of them will say that their biology teacher is guilty of all sorts of despicable crimes against humanity.

[Chancellor Palpatine]

Your mama's all right, your daddy's all right, they just seem a little weird....