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Our Greatest Sin of Silence (Kremlin has bled Chechnya and made it a model for the rest of Russia)
Wall Street Journal ^ | Thursday, October 2, 2003 | ANDRE GLUCKSMANN

Posted on 10/02/2003 7:13:12 AM PDT by presidio9

Edited on 04/22/2004 11:50:01 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

There are deaths that weigh no more than a feather. Entire peoples who don't count. They have only one right, the right to disappear. They are absent from our concerns and from our television screens, even before the tanks, the bombs, the raids and the landmines reduce them to nothing. The Chechens live in absolute solitude, surrendered to the pleasures of a massacring Russian army. And no one -- not the United Nations, not world public opinion, not any one of the democracies that are so proud of their principles -- cries bloody murder!


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; Miscellaneous; Philosophy; Russia
KEYWORDS: caucasus; caucasuslist; chechnya
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To: Sender
All true!
21 posted on 10/02/2003 12:50:30 PM PDT by dennisw (G_d is at war with Amalek for all generations)
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To: presidio9
Chechnya is in a great location for a parking lot, badly needed in southern Russia.
22 posted on 10/02/2003 1:59:06 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: presidio9
Entire peoples who don't count

Entire peoples who by their own actions and barbaric lifestyles don't deserve to count, in this case.

When a thriving human slave market is accepted so widely in a culture, when the biggest financial income is from the kidnapping and videotaping of children being mutilated, and when visiting aid workers are more often than not kidnapped and beheaded, it's time to move on.

Putin is right to try to exterminate these people. They are evil incarnate, with few exceptions.

23 posted on 10/02/2003 2:02:37 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: RussianConservative
a good Chechen is a dead Chechen
24 posted on 10/02/2003 2:03:29 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: presidio9
<<<<After the defeat of the Taliban, not one Chechen was discovered in Afghanistan, dead, alive, in the prisons or at Guantanamo.

Don't think this is true. Even it true, basically irrelevant.

Oh, yes, the poor precious little chechen darlings. All those bad Russians fault. Never mind facts like the Chechens restarting the war via terror attacks after the peace agreements of the mid90's.
25 posted on 10/02/2003 2:05:52 PM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: doc30
Wall Street Urinal sell collective soul for Berezhovsky's monies, same monies he give to Chechins and Russian Communist Party. Same monies he stole from Russian peoples.
26 posted on 10/02/2003 9:21:58 PM PDT by RussianConservative (Hristos: the Light of the World)
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To: doc30
Oh and don't forget they blow up Cole.
27 posted on 10/02/2003 9:22:47 PM PDT by RussianConservative (Hristos: the Light of the World)
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To: presidio9
Neither of the conflicts that has gotten the attention and sympathy of the world -- Iraq or Palestine -- is as cruel as this one. The Chechen nation counts barely a million individuals, of whom between 100,000 and 200,000 have died at the hand of the Russian army, which first invaded in 1994 and left a few years later, humiliated. To celebrate the millennial year 2000, President Vladimir Putin sent the troops back and razed the Chechen's capital Grozny, and transformed their tiny country into permanent hell. The few travelers who risk the ire of the authorities to visit Chechnya (and I was one of them) bear witness to the worst of the worst that dishonors this good year of 2003.

This pure crap, first it West favorite Yeltsin who sent troops back in in 1999 after Defense Minister Basayov invade Daghistan and exterminate villages of women and childrens when they say no to new Taliban. This is socialist revisionist from WS Urinal. By way, how can nation invade self? Russia invade Russian territory of 1994? Hmmmm what that say for what US did with Montana Freemen? As for perminent hell, Jihadies already do that. Funny he also not mention that of 800,000 Chechins, 600,000 live in other part Russia.

28 posted on 10/02/2003 9:28:34 PM PDT by RussianConservative (Hristos: the Light of the World)
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To: Cicero
This hit piece aimed at Putin and Russia it not have to make sense...Bere's monies pay for russophobic garbage and WSUrinal print much lately. They show selves to be whores like CNN.
29 posted on 10/02/2003 9:30:36 PM PDT by RussianConservative (Hristos: the Light of the World)
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To: xJones
You mean Bosnia that give Bin Ladin honorary citizenship? To late.
30 posted on 10/02/2003 9:31:28 PM PDT by RussianConservative (Hristos: the Light of the World)
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To: martianagent
Not quite, until annexed by Russia main industry catching Russian settler as slave to sell to Khiva.
31 posted on 10/02/2003 9:34:17 PM PDT by RussianConservative (Hristos: the Light of the World)
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To: dennisw
Funny thing, area where oil, Chechins never live. That area, plains, is where Russian Cossaks settle. Chechins live in south mountains, ever drill oil on mountain side? Present borders redraw by Soviet scum.
32 posted on 10/02/2003 9:42:08 PM PDT by RussianConservative (Hristos: the Light of the World)
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To: swarthyguy
Chechin sit in Guantanomo and ask for assylum, several Chechin. Article how Chechin shoot up Pakistani police station and now evidence they blow up Cole...other then that, world best friends....let meet your daughter...and sell her.
33 posted on 10/02/2003 9:44:42 PM PDT by RussianConservative (Hristos: the Light of the World)
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To: Destro
bump
34 posted on 10/02/2003 9:45:12 PM PDT by RussianConservative (Hristos: the Light of the World)
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To: presidio9
Russian Journal

MOSCOW - The Russian government has allocated $1bn for paying compensations to refugees who have returned to Chechnya, Russian Minister of Social and Economic Development of Chechnya Stanislav Ilyasov reported at a press conference in Tbilisi (Georgia) today. According to him, after October 10, a group of refugees will arrive in Chechnya who are to make sure that there are all conditions for receiving them in the republic.

Additionally, Stanislav Ilyasov guarantees the security of refugees returning to Chechnya, timely allotment of allowances and pensions, and payment of $12,000 in compensation to every family.

Answering a journalist’s question, the minister refuted reports that the active return to Chechnya of refugees who lived in the Pankisi gorge (Georgia) was connected with the upcoming Chechen presidential elections. According to him, the process of their returning home has been procrastinated due to the restoration of housing.

It is worth mentioning that on September 29, a plane of the Russian Emergencies Ministry delivered 11 tons of food, including baby food, and 5,000 sets of adult and children clothes and footwear to Tbilisi from Moscow for the refugees who live in the Pankisi gorge.

According to the latest data, there are over 2,000 Chechen refugees residing in Pankisi villages. This June, almost 100 Chechen refugees expressed a wish to come back to Russia. Currently, a temporary point for receiving 1,000 refugees has been organized in the Caucasian republic of Ingushetia that could be used for refugees from Pankisi.

35 posted on 10/02/2003 10:02:22 PM PDT by RussianConservative (Hristos: the Light of the World)
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To: RussianConservative
Funny thing, area where oil, Chechins never live. That area, plains, is where Russian Cossaks settle. Chechins live in south mountains, ever drill oil on mountain side? Present borders redraw by Soviet scum.............

I never knew that. Thanks
36 posted on 10/02/2003 11:35:09 PM PDT by dennisw (G_d is at war with Amalek for all generations)
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To: dennisw
I could care less. I don't accept all "self determination" especially by insane Islamics. The Russkies needed to kick their ass take their gas (and oil). And this they did. As it is too much of the world's oil is under Muslim control

It just isn't that hard to figure out the Russian position on this one. Other than for the sacrafice of about 20 million Russians around 1943 - 1945, the holder in due course of all the oil in chechiniya would have been good old Uncle Adolf, and the chechen untermenschen would all be soap and lampshades. The idea of the chechens simply walking off with all that oil and saying "Thank you, have a nice day" after all that probably doesn't make much sense to Russians. Hell, it doesn't make any sense to me.

37 posted on 10/03/2003 8:10:24 AM PDT by martianagent
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To: martianagent
See post #32 for info on what was historically Chechen turf.

CLUE: There was no oil there.
38 posted on 10/03/2003 8:14:31 AM PDT by dennisw (G_d is at war with Amalek for all generations)
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To: Sender; RussianConservative
The Chechens are the Palestinians who are al Qaeda...all Islamist cultures who would impose their will and shari'a law on the majority by force if they could. I don't think Putin wants to wipe out every Chechen, far from it. Putin may be more realistic though, than those who see every Islamist as a victim. The Islamists are like the Borg, they will never rest and never stop until we all are assimilated. They have already proven they are willing to kill a theater full of hundreds of Russians, and have no doubt been responsible for at least some of the apartment building bombings that never seem to be big news in the US. If the Chechens were right at our border and we suffered the same attacks, I'll bet we would come down hard on them as well

My sentiments exactly. Russ, your opinion?
39 posted on 10/03/2003 8:21:29 AM PDT by Cronos (W2004)
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To: JerseyHighlander
Nope, the chicoms ahve been fueling the jihaids in Paskistan, kind of a bribe to keep them from operating in their occupied Uighur territories.
40 posted on 10/03/2003 8:22:41 AM PDT by Cronos (W2004)
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