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Perspective: Die-hard Confederates should be reconstructed
St. Augustine Record ^ | 09/27/2003 | Peter Guinta

Posted on 09/30/2003 12:19:22 PM PDT by sheltonmac

The South's unconditional surrender in 1865 apparently was unacceptable to today's Neo-Confederates.

They'd like to rewrite history, demonizing Abraham Lincoln and the federal government that forced them to remain in the awful United States against their will.

On top of that, now they are opposing the U.S. Navy's plan to bury the crew of the CSS H.L. Hunley under the American flag next year.

The Hunley was the first submarine to sink an enemy vessel. In 1863, it rammed and fatally damaged the Union warship USS Housatonic with a fixed torpedo, but then the manually driven sub sank on its way home, killing its eight-man crew.

It might have been a lucky shot from the Housatonic, leaks caused by the torpedo explosion, an accidental strike by another Union ship, malfunction of its snorkel valves, damage to its steering planes or getting stuck in the mud.

In any case, the Navy found and raised its remains and plans a full-dress military funeral and burial service on April 17, 2004, in Charleston, S.C. The four-mile funeral procession is expected to draw 10,000 to 20,000 people, many in period costume or Confederate battle dress.

But the Sons of Confederate Veterans, generally a moderate group that works diligently to preserve Southern history and heritage, has a radical wing that is salivating with anger.

One Texas Confederate has drawn 1,600 signatures on a petition saying "the flag of their eternal enemy, the United States of America," must not fly over the Hunley crew's funeral.

To their credit, the funeral's organizers will leave the U.S. flag flying.

After all, the search and preservation of the Hunley artifacts, as well as the funeral itself, were paid for by U.S. taxpayers.

Also, the Hunley crew was born under the Stars and Stripes. The Confederacy was never an internationally recognized nation, so the crewmen also died as citizens of the United States.

They were in rebellion, but they were still Americans.

This whole issue is an insult to all Southerners who fought under the U.S. flag before and since the Civil War.

But it isn't the only outrage by rabid secessionists.

They are also opposing the placement of a statue of Abraham Lincoln in Richmond, Va., the Confederate capital.

According to an article by Bob Moser and published in the Southern Poverty Law Center's magazine "Intelligence Report," which monitors right-wing and hate groups, the U.S. Historical Society announced it was donating a statue of Lincoln to Richmond.

Lincoln visited that city in April 1865 to begin healing the wounds caused by the war.

The proposed life-sized statue has Lincoln resting on a bench, looking sad, his arm around his 12-year-old son, Tad. The base of the statue has a quote from his second inaugural address.

However, the League of the South and the Sons of Confederate Veterans raised a stink, calling Lincoln a tyrant and war criminal. Neo-Confederates are trying to make Lincoln "a figure few history students would recognize: a racist dictator who trashed the Constitution and turned the USA into an imperialist welfare state," Moser's article says.

White supremacist groups have jumped onto the bandwagon. Their motto is "Taking America back starts with taking Lincoln down."

Actually, if it weren't for the forgiving nature of Lincoln, Richmond would be a smoking hole in the ground and hundreds of Confederate leaders -- including Jefferson Davis -- would be hanging from trees from Fredericksburg, Va., to Atlanta.

Robert E. Lee said, "I surrendered as much to Lincoln's goodness as I did to Grant's armies."

Revisionist history to suit a political agenda is as intellectually abhorrent as whitewashing slavery itself. It's racism under a different flag. While it's not a criminal offense, it is a crime against truth and history.

I'm not talking about re-enactors here. These folks just want to live history. But the Neo-Confederate movement is a disguised attempt to change history.

In the end, the Confederacy was out-fought, out-lasted, eventually out-generaled and totally over-matched. It was a criminal idea to start with, and its success would have changed the course of modern history for the worse.

Coming to that realization cost this nation half a million lives.

So I hope that all Neo-Confederates -- 140 years after the fact -- can finally get out of their racist, twisted, angry time machine and join us here in 2003.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; US: South Carolina
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To: Paul C. Jesup
I did. The justification was wildly different.
41 posted on 09/30/2003 1:48:57 PM PDT by republicanwizard
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To: republicanwizard
Present-day Southerners have never owned, let alone whipped, slaves.
42 posted on 09/30/2003 1:49:36 PM PDT by warchild9
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To: Question_Assumptions
Oh please, "if you disagree, leave" is an extremely elitist cop out.

If you don't like someone being a part of something you have a duty to defend, why don't you leave?

43 posted on 09/30/2003 1:49:44 PM PDT by Cobra Scott
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To: warchild9
Would those issues even have been debated if slavery were not involved.

To oppose the Civil War is to support slavery.
44 posted on 09/30/2003 1:49:57 PM PDT by republicanwizard
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To: republicanwizard
The Constitution doesn't recognize the right to secede...

And it prohibits secession...where, exactly?

45 posted on 09/30/2003 1:50:09 PM PDT by sheltonmac (If having the U.S. enforce U.N. resolutions is not world government, what is?)
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To: Question_Assumptions
I'm Southern born and raised, and am active in the Southern Nationalist movement. Nothing is stopping me, bud.
46 posted on 09/30/2003 1:50:40 PM PDT by warchild9
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To: warchild9
No, but you did turn firehoses on them.

I'm sorry. I meant to use the past tense.
47 posted on 09/30/2003 1:50:50 PM PDT by republicanwizard
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To: sheltonmac
The terms of the final two Articles make it explicit that those are the legal ways to change the government.
48 posted on 09/30/2003 1:51:31 PM PDT by republicanwizard
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To: warchild9
I'm Southern born and raised, and am active in the Southern Nationalist movement. Nothing is stopping me, bud.

Do you watch sports on television?

49 posted on 09/30/2003 1:51:56 PM PDT by Texas_Dawg (Paleos and Naderites: anti-war, anti-capitalism, anti-Bush. And the difference in these 2 is what??)
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To: republicanwizard
I hate to tell you this but 'Roots' is a work of fiction.
50 posted on 09/30/2003 1:52:06 PM PDT by Paul C. Jesup
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To: Paul C. Jesup
I never watched the movie. We have picture evidence of Southern brutality towards the slaves. Then, of course, we have Senator Douglas who compares them to alligators.
51 posted on 09/30/2003 1:53:02 PM PDT by republicanwizard
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To: republicanwizard
Seceding from the government is not the same as changing or overthrowing the government. Had the South been allowed to peacefully secede, the United States of America would have continued to exist and Abraham Lincoln would have continued to serve as president.
52 posted on 09/30/2003 1:53:41 PM PDT by sheltonmac (If having the U.S. enforce U.N. resolutions is not world government, what is?)
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To: republicanwizard
I did. The justification was wildly different.

The only person or thing that is wild here is you. Are you on speed? I mean you are posting one post after another, after another.

53 posted on 09/30/2003 1:53:43 PM PDT by Paul C. Jesup
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To: Texas_Dawg
I agree, this article is insanity

They'd like to rewrite history, demonizing Abraham Lincoln and the federal government

No historical fact does that quite well

54 posted on 09/30/2003 1:54:07 PM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: republicanwizard
The opinion of an ASS doth not matter......

A Bovine one at that!
55 posted on 09/30/2003 1:55:07 PM PDT by TexConfederate1861 (Dixie and Texas Forever!)
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To: republicanwizard
You'll have to do better than that. My family were abolitionists. Unless you are referring to me personally, which would be silly.

You have to include those slaves forced to fight ,or, forced to support, the war effort. Sure.

And those who were freed and stayed. And those who worked to free slaves within their parishes. Those who lost family members who tried to change an institution. And those who really didn't care, but grew up with the notion (prevelant as it were) that the state was the ultimate authority, not a greater federation.

I love it when people like you can't get over winning the war. It's good for a laugh.

56 posted on 09/30/2003 1:55:17 PM PDT by Cobra Scott
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To: republicanwizard
I never watched the movie. We have picture evidence of Southern brutality towards the slaves. Then, of course, we have Senator Douglas who compares them to alligators.

You're trying to argue rationally with a bunch of misanthropic malcontents. I'm a Southerner... I've met hundreds of these people. You just have to laugh, ignore their ranting, and tell them to just make sure they show up to work for you on time.

57 posted on 09/30/2003 1:55:40 PM PDT by Texas_Dawg (Paleos and Naderites: anti-war, anti-capitalism, anti-Bush. And the difference in these 2 is what??)
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To: sheltonmac
And surrendered federal property to a foreign government? Lincoln would have legally been impeached for doing so.
58 posted on 09/30/2003 1:55:57 PM PDT by republicanwizard
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To: republicanwizard
We have picture evidence of Southern brutality towards the slaves. Then, of course, we have Senator Douglas who compares them to alligators.

Post them and their references. I dare you.

I'll then point you to the Wills of Slave Owners. Most of the time the Slave Owners had their slaves freed.

59 posted on 09/30/2003 1:56:09 PM PDT by Paul C. Jesup
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To: warchild9
An appropriate contemporary argument would concern the meaning of citizenship, and whether politicians, for whatever reason, have a right to maintain their power over others using force, and whether the Constitution as a contract concedes adherence to the Union under threat of death.

Do you support the right of Islamic Americans acting against the interests of the United States government? Do you support the right of Kosovo Albanians to seize control of Kosovo from Serbia and declare the independence? Do you support the action of the citizens of West Virginia to succeed from Virginia during the Civil War and join with the Union?

60 posted on 09/30/2003 1:56:17 PM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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