Freepers call to action re. Terri Schindler-Schiavo. Make a complaint against Judge Greer:

Florida Gov. Jeb Bush has asked a judge to delay setting a date for removal of a feeding tube sustaining the life of a brain-disabled woman, Terri Schindler-Schiavo.

Judge Greer will not appoint a guardian ad litem. I have phone numbers from the phone book for the Clearwater Courthouse and all the guardianship phone numbers. He husband held a presser today and was very flippant about Jeb's letter and called the emailers a "bunch of right to lifers."

Hubby is looking a little nervous but with a pal like Judge Greer who is no Judge Moore, Terri has until the September 11 hearing to decide the date her starvation begins.

Here are the phone numbers: courthouse - 727-464-3000, guardianship numbers: 727-582-7563, 727-582-7771, and 727-464-8700. We can at least call as friends of Terri and voice our concerns.

25 posted on 08/26/2003 7:34 PM EDT by floriduh voter

Freepers, please call the Juducial Qualification Commission regarding Judge Greer: 1-850-488-1581.

***

Contact friends, thank those have been fighting on Terri's behalf, including Glenn Beck, Lars Larson, CNS News.com, WND, and Bill O'Reilly.

*** Terri Schindler Schiavo's website - background and news updates: www.terrisfight.org ***

8 Terri Schiavo's website Media Contacts

Governor Jeb Bush (R)
Office of The Governor
Florida Capitol Building, PL-05
Tallahassee, FL 32399-0001
(850) 488-7146
(850) 488-4441
jeb.bush@myflorida.com

The Honorable(?) George W. Greer
6th Judicial Circuit
315 Court Street, Room 484
Clearwater, FL 33756
(727) 464-3933
ggreer@co.pinellas.fl.us

Attorney General Charlie Crist
Office of Attorney General
State of Florida
The Capitol
Tallahassee, FL 32399-1050
(850) 487-1963
Fax: (850) 487-2564
ag@oag.state.fl.us

Very, very good medical info, and excellent research as usual, syriacus!

5,221 posted on 09/22/2003 9:23:42 AM PDT by kimmie7 (Terri's story must be told to the masses. Pray with us for this woman and her family.)

Wonderful prayer, as always. Thank you so much. <><

5,222 posted on 09/22/2003 9:24:40 AM PDT by kimmie7 (Terri's story must be told to the masses. Pray with us for this woman and her family.)

To: Robert Drobot; Pegita

Thanks for the ping, Robert Drobot

I'm surprised it was today!

Thanks for the opportunity to pray along with you and others, Pegita.

5,223 posted on 09/22/2003 9:43:23 AM PDT by syriacus (Prankin' Al Franken....says he didn't lie to Ashcroft. His letter was only a prank. A Frankenprank?)

Speaking of medicine, hope you are recovering well, yourself.

5,224 posted on 09/22/2003 9:47:57 AM PDT by syriacus (Prankin' Al Franken....says he didn't lie to Ashcroft. His letter was only a prank. A Frankenprank?)

winker, I am going out on a limb here, guessing you've lost someone who was incapacitated or have attended some of the right-to-die 'classes'?

I promise you my actions are not motivated by hate. My own father passed away in Hospice, where he was treated very well and could self-medicate with morphine. During his last days, after slipping into the physical state where he would not be 'waking up', he talked out loud, worked through issues from his past about his own mother that had not been dealt with, somewhere beyond our reach.

My neighbor's beloved wife went through the same during her last days, after months in bed. She was in pain and her husband in torment. He considered helping her die. I told him about my father, that the nurses said it wasn't unusual for people in their last days to slip into unconsciousness and clearly speak to someone, work out issues. What if it is God giving us a last chance to make things right before we die? My friend did not kill his wife. She went through her own last day struggle, speaking, unconscious, and quietly slipped away. What if we took away someone's chance to repent because we put our will ahead of God's?

It isn't a light question. I don't have many answers. I do know my father was at peace when he died.

5,225 posted on 09/22/2003 9:54:08 AM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl ("I was taught to love America." ~ Freeper 'Bullish', '60s LA public school.)

To: RedRidingHood; yhwhsman; TheSpottedOwl; pc93; dandelion; GHCubana; iowamomforfreedom; Lovergirl; ...

5,226 posted on 09/22/2003 11:01:55 AM PDT by kimmie7 (Terri's story must be told to the masses. Pray with us for this woman and her family.)

Welllllll, I'm not doing terribly. We'll leave it at that for now. ;-) A little prayer wouldn't hurt, though.

5,227 posted on 09/22/2003 11:02:52 AM PDT by kimmie7 (Terri's story must be told to the masses. Pray with us for this woman and her family.)

5,228 posted on 09/22/2003 11:36:40 AM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife ("Life isn't fair. It's fairer than death, is all.")

I think that is quite a find that you've made regarding a potassium imbalance and a struggle! It's too bad that it is really seeming that this is what may have happened to Terri in the first place. I wish someone could get Michael to confess! They would HAVE to revoke his guardianship privileges! How could they continue to ignore his behavior?

5,229 posted on 09/22/2003 12:02:46 PM PDT by Ohioan from Florida

To: Ohioan from Florida

Just my opinion, but I think someone has the goods on Michael...and is holding this over his head to push through the euthanasia agenda.

5,230 posted on 09/22/2003 3:10:25 PM PDT by RedRidingHood (Prayers For Terri)

To: Ohioan from Florida

Since Terri's not dead...
She should be fed

5,231 posted on 09/22/2003 3:13:26 PM PDT by syriacus (Prankin' Al Franken....says he didn't lie to Ashcroft. His letter was only a prank. A Frankenprank?)

Good one! (Though I have to admit it reminds me of "if the glove doesn't fit, you must acquit!") LOL

5,232 posted on 09/22/2003 3:51:40 PM PDT by Ohioan from Florida

To: RedRidingHood

Someone like Felos perhaps? He's at the top of my list.

5,233 posted on 09/22/2003 4:03:00 PM PDT by Ohioan from Florida

To: Ohioan from Florida

He's at the top of my list too. But, I don't think he has that much power. Someone behind Greer and Felos!

5,234 posted on 09/22/2003 4:16:39 PM PDT by RedRidingHood (Prayers For Terri)

To: RedRidingHood; All

Sorry for a duplicate ping, but I'd like to keep as much on this big thread as possible as well.

From the new thread:

To: kimmie7

Attorneys for Terri Schiavo's parents seek to block tube removal

By VICKIE CHACHERE
Associated Press Writer

TAMPA, Fla. --

The parents of a brain-damaged woman at the center of a life-or-death court fight sued their son-in-law in federal court Monday seeking to block the removal of the feeding tube which has been keeping her alive.

Terri Schiavo's feeding tube will be removed Oct. 15 under a state judge's order issued last week. Her parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, arguing the removal of the tube would violate her constitutional rights.

The Schindlers and their son-in-law, Michael Schiavo, have been engaged in a long legal battle over the fate of the 39-year-old woman, who suffered severe brain damage following a heart attack more 13 years ago.

Michael Schiavo has said his wife never would have wanted to be kept alive artificially.

"I would hope that the federal judge looking at this realizes this is just an attempt to rehash what has gone on before," said George Felos, Michael Schiavo's attorney. "I think a federal judge is well aware that he doesn't have jurisdiction. Beyond that, it must be pointed out that so much of what is in this complaint is just an out-and-out lie."

The lawsuit alleges a conspiracy between Pinellas Circuit Court Judge George Greer and Michael Schiavo in seeking to end Terri's life.

"It just shows how desperate they are becoming," Felos said.

Pat Anderson, who is representing the Schindlers, wouldn't comment on the filing.

The Schindlers accused their son-in-law of blocking attempts to rehabilitate his wife, despite pledging to do so when he testified in a medical malpractice lawsuit filed against his wife's doctors.

The Schindlers contend their daughter can be rehabilitated and in the lawsuit said their daughter's caregivers have reported hearing her say, "help me" and "mommy."

They also accuse Michael Schiavo of using more than $700,000 awarded Terri Schiavo won in the malpractice case for her care instead to pay for attorneys in the court fight to end her life.

The Schindlers are seeking to have Michael Schiavo removed as his wife's guardian and are arguing she has a right to swallowing therapy that could teach her to eat and drink if she were disconnected from the feeding tube.

Greer last week ordered her feeding tube be removed after state appeals courts backed his ruling that Terri Schiavo has suffered such severe brain damage she is in a permanent vegetative state.

Both the Florida Supreme Court and the U.S. Supreme Court have refused to consider the case.

Monday's lawsuit is amended from a complaint filed in federal court earlier this month. U.S. District Judge Richard Lazzara has said he was not convinced the federal court has any jurisdiction in the case, but allowed the Schindlers a chance to present their case on pape

187 posted on 09/22/2003 6:22 PM CDT by libravoter (Live from the People's Republic of Cambridge)
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5,235 posted on 09/22/2003 4:55:51 PM PDT by kimmie7 (Terri's story must be told to the masses. Pray with us for this woman and her family.)

I posted this on the other thread too, but I thought you would like it over here too.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/9/22/165543.shtml

Legalized Murder: Terri Schiavo and Death by Starvation
Phil Brennan, NewsMax.com
Tuesday, Sept. 23, 2003

Increasingly across America, the sick and elderly, some with terminal illnesses, are being murdered simply by withholding food and water.

When a new edition of his book "Forced Exit, The Slippery Slope from Assisted Suicide to Legalized Murder" was published, author Wesley J. Smith couldn’t have known that America was so far down that slope that Florida courts were ordering the killing, in a most barbaric way, of a disabled but conscious woman.

Smith, a senior fellow at the Discovery Institute and an attorney and consultant for the International Task Force on Euthanasia and Assisted Suicide, wrote the first version of the book six years ago.

He decided that an update was needed as a result of the increased pressure by advocates of assisted suicide and those backing euthanasia, which they call "mercy killing."

Smith notes that "health care" policies have gone well beyond euthanasia at the request of the sick person. Today doctors and families are taking the life-and-death decision into their own hands and purposely withholding food and water to kill the patient.

Often the intention might be good, such as to save the patient from a terminal disease and pain. But the result, Smith says, is the same: It is an act of murder. Even if the patient consents, euthanasia is a form of suicide.

Already, assisted suicide and euthanasia have been made legal or deemed acceptable in European countries, as well as Australia and South Africa.

The Doctor Decides

In America, he writes, there is now a movement promoting what is known as the "futile care" theory – when a doctor decides on his own that when a patient’s quality of life is not worth living, further medical care would be futile and could be denied.

"Today," Smith writes, "there is a systematic, nationwide attempt by many in the bioethics movement to impose futile care upon the populace through formal hospital protocols that give anonymous ethics committees the power to turn thumbs up or thumbs down to wanted medical treatment deemed ‘inappropriate.’"

Those protocols, he warns, are already designed to "stack the deck" against the patient if the doctor or hospital wants to refuse treatment.

Now a new threat has emerged, dramatized by the horrific case of Theresa Schiavo: the demand that patients deemed no longer worth saving be killed by the inhuman process of "dehydration" – refusing nourishment to conscious, cognitively disabled people who need feeding tubes to stay alive. In other words, condemning them to an excruciatingly painful death by starvation.

The practice has become commonplace in America, Smith told NewsMax.com.

"Dehydration of cognitively disabled patients occurs in all 50 states in the United States of America," Smith explained.

"Quite often it occurs to conscious people who could feel the 10- to 14-day agony that dehydration entails. The only way it gets stopped is if family members disagree on the medical course. Absent family disagreement, this happens as a matter of routine."

When Smith published the new edition of his book, the case of Theresa Schiavo, who collapsed from cardiac arrest in 1990, had only just been brought to his attention. Since then it has become a national cause celebre thanks to a court decree, temporarily stalled by an injunction, ordering that she be put to death by dehydration.

‘When Is That Bitch Gonna Die?’

The case of Terri Schiavo is a classic example of how far America has traveled down the road to legalized euthanasia and officially sanctioned death sentences for the disabled.

Smith reviewed the Schiavo case for NewsMax.com:

"In Florida, in order to dehydrate somebody there has to be a finding that the patient is unconscious, which is what Judge Greer has done in the Schiavo case.

"But if anybody has seen a video of Schiavo available on Terrisfight.com, the video shows they will see that she is no way unconscious. An unconscious person is utterly unreactive – in fact that’s how it’s basically defined in Florida law."

On one video a doctor is shown asking Terri, who has her eyes closed, "Please open your eyes, Terri" – and her eyes flutter and open.

In another video her mother comes over to her bed, leans down and says, "Hi, sweetie, how are you?" and Terri looks over, sees her mom and gets a huge smile on her face.

That, says Smith, is not a mere reflex; "that is recognition of a mother and the enjoyment of being loved. To say that she’s unconscious is unconscionable."

Incredibly, the court has these facts, Smith said.

"And the court has other facts that it is also ignoring. Michael Schiavo, Terri’s husband, filed a medical malpractice suit regarding his wife’s injury that caused her to be cognitively disabled. He promised that he would provide her care for the rest of her natural life because she’s not on intensive care or anything of that sort. He brought to the jury a rehabilitation expert with a plan to help Terri get better, but as soon as the money was in the bank, which was $750,000 in a trust fund for Terri," he refused to allow any rehabilitative treatments whatsoever.

"He also got $300,000 more for loss of consortium, and the money went to lawyers," Smith explained.

"Not one day, not one hour, not one minute of rehabilitation time has Terri been given so she could get better. It’s unconscionable.

"This despite that there are doctors testifying under penalty of perjury, not only is Terri not unconscious, but that they believe she could be better. There’s a speech pathologist who has testified most recently under penalty of perjury that he believes that Terri can be weaned from the feeding tube."

Smith said, however, that "as soon as the money was in the bank, Michael put a 'do not resuscitate' order on the chart, realizing back in the early 1990s he would inherit $750,000 if Terri died, and began to refuse medical treatment such as antibiotics for infections and so forth. In 1998, when Terri didn't die he filed a request with Judge Greer to be allowed to remove her feeding tube, and that’s how this whole business started."

In a stunning sworn affidavit, Carla Sauer Iyer, a registered nurse who was employed at Palm Garden of Largo Convalescent Center in Largo, Fla., from April 1995 to July 1996, while Terri Schiavo was a patient there, testified: "Throughout my time at Palm Gardens, Michael Schiavo was focused on Terri's death. Michael would say 'When is she going to die?' 'Has she died yet?' and 'When is that bitch gonna die?'"

Others at Palm Garden also testified similarly in sworn affidavits. All swore that Terri had spoken to them frequently and backed Iyer's recollections.

Zeroing in on Michael Schiavo's possible motives, Smith emphasized that it was important to realize that Michael Schiavo is engaged to be married.

"He has had one baby by his fiancée, she is pregnant with a second child, they live together and want to get married, and the reason they can’t is that Michael's wife is still alive.

"It’s an astonishing statement of insensitivity that a judge would allow this man with incredible conflicts of interest both financial, if any money's left from that trust fund, and personal.

"It’s outrageous," he added, "to [allow him to] have anything to do with how his wife is treated, and yet Judge Greer just ignores these clear conflicts of interest, refuses to allow Terri’s blood family, who want to care for her for the rest of her life and want to give her the therapy that might make her better, to be her guardians, and instead is bound and determined and intent on dehydrating this helpless citizen to death."

Michael Schiavo has accused his in-laws, Bob and Mary Schindler, of trying to control his wife's assets, and "the Schindlers now suggest their son-in-law tried to strangle their daughter the night she collapsed and that's why he has fought so hard to keep her quiet," the Orlando Sentinel reported. Schiavo's attorney has denounced the accusations as "malicious" and "garbage."

In late August Gov. Jeb Bush asked a judge to delay setting a date for removal of the feeding tube so a guardian could be appointed.

The governor's intervention is "crazy," Michael Schiavo said. "This case has been in litigation for five years, and all of a sudden Gov. Bush wants to be involved? This isn't his concern, and he should stay out of it."

'An Extremely Agonizing Death'

In his book, Wesley J. Smith describes the intense suffering imposed on those being starved to death.

"Proponents of dehydration contend that deaths by dehydration are peaceful," Smith wrote.

Noting that "the patients we are discussing are not terminally ill" and that those who are conscious can feel hunger and thirst, Smith quotes Dr. William Burke, a neurologist in St. Louis, who described the agonizing process.

"A conscious person would feel it (dehydration) just as you and I would. They will go into seizures. Their skin cracks, their tongue cracks, their lips crack. They may have nosebleeds because of the drying of the mucous membranes, and heaving and vomiting might ensue because of the drying out of the stomach lining. They feel the pangs of hunger and thirst. Imagine going one day without a glass of water. Death by dehydration takes ten to fourteen days. It is an extremely agonizing death."

The next step, Smith predicts, will be the abandonment of dehydration in favor a much simpler and faster way to kill – death by lethal injection, now popular in prison death chambers.

In his book Smith concludes by asking if we will "take the hard turn down the slippery slope towards a coarsening of our view of the afflicted, the dying, the chronically ill, the disabled, and those in pain or depression, to the point where we feel they have a duty to die and get out of the way?

"Will we choose to love each other, or abandon each other?"

In the case of Terri Schiavo, the authorities have chosen abandonment.

5,236 posted on 09/22/2003 5:09:58 PM PDT by iowamomforfreedom (Why is it illegal to starve an animal but not a human being?)

To: Ohioan from Florida

It is similar, isn't it? LOL

5,237 posted on 09/22/2003 5:43:43 PM PDT by syriacus (Prankin' Al Franken....says he didn't lie to Ashcroft. His letter was only a prank. A Frankenprank?)

Greer last week ordered her feeding tube be removed after state appeals courts backed his ruling that Terri Schiavo has suffered such severe brain damage she is in a permanent vegetative state.

Brain injured people are not the same as vegetables. They are live human beings until they die.

They are human even though they may seem to function as animals or infants.

We punish those who treat animals the way Felos and Schiavo want to treat Terri who is a human.

Would Schiavo have treated his newborn the way he has treated Terri?

5,238 posted on 09/22/2003 5:55:45 PM PDT by syriacus (Prankin' Al Franken....says he didn't lie to Ashcroft. His letter was only a prank. A Frankenprank?)

To: iowamomforfreedom

Thanks for posting this!! I'm glad to see Smith is commenting publicly on Terri's plight.

5,239 posted on 09/22/2003 6:01:15 PM PDT by syriacus (Prankin' Al Franken....says he didn't lie to Ashcroft. His letter was only a prank. A Frankenprank?)

Here is celebrity e-mails that can be mailed to regarding Terri's fight!

http://www.addresses.com/all_celebrities.php?view=all

5,240 posted on 09/22/2003 6:25:41 PM PDT by pc93 (http://www.terrisfight.org)

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