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Freepers call to action re. Terri Schindler-Schiavo. Make a complaint against Judge Greer:
Various ^ | August 28, 2003

Posted on 08/28/2003 5:20:42 AM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl

Freepers, we may be able to help Terri:


I made some phone calls today and have the ULTIMATE PHONE CALL for registering a Complaint against Judge Greer. I can't reveal my sources but this is the phone number for a few pay grades above J. Greer.

Call the: Judicial Qualifications Commission at

#1-850-488-1581. I am complaining to them tomorrow that J. Greer isn't God, that he's been in the husband's corner since Day One, he doesn't care a wit about Terri's parents or her husband's attempt at medical neglect, and I'd like to know if Greer can be recalled or impeached.

HE SHOULD HAVE OR COULD HAVE HONORED GOV. BUSH'S REQUEST TO ASSIGN A GUARDIAN AD LITEM to represent Terri's interest instead of once again, taking the side of the husband. Judge Greer is from the Sixth Circuit Court, Pinellas County.

Oh, and ping everybody you can think of.

72 posted on 08/27/2003 5:06 PM EDT by floriduh voter


From summer:

"..do a separate thread asking people to call this phone number FV provided. This could get a guardian appointed if the judge is tossed off the case for BIAS."


Background:

8 Jeb Bush intervenes for Schindler-Schiavo -   WND | 8/26

Florida Gov. Jeb Bush has asked a judge to delay setting a date for removal of a feeding tube sustaining the life of a brain-disabled woman, Terri Schindler-Schiavo.

In a letter, Bush asked Pinellas-Pasco Circuit Judge George W. Greer yesterday to keep her alive until a court-appointed guardian can "independently investigate the circumstances of this case and provide the court with an unbiased view that considers the best interests of Mrs. Schiavo."


8 From JEB to FR: Full text of Gov Bush's letter to Judge Greer re: Terri Schiavo. Email from Gov Bush to summer, for FR | 8/27

 ----- Original Message -----
From: [Governor Bush's office]
To: [summer's email]
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 8:06 AM
Subject: Letter regarding Terri Schiavo

> August 26, 2003

> The Honorable George W. Greer
> Judge, Sixth Judicial Circuit
> 315 Court Street, Room 484
> Clearwater, Florida 33756

Dear Judge Greer:

> I appreciate the challenging legal and ethical issues before you in the case > of Terri Schiavo. As I have expressed over the course of the past several > weeks, our system of government has committed these decisions to the > judicial branch, and we must respect that process. Consistent with this > principle, I normally would not address a letter to a judge in a pending > legal proceeding. However, my office has received over 27,000 emails > reflecting understandable concern for the well being of Terri Schiavo. > Given that there is no procedural avenue available for these views to be > expressed to you in the normal course of the proceedings, I feel compelled > to write in the hopes that you will give serious consideration to > re-appointment of a guardian ad litem for Mrs. Schiavo before permitting the > removal of her feeding tube or other actions calculated to end her life.

> This case represents the disturbing result of a severe family disagreement > in extremely trying circumstances. Emotions are high, accusations abound, > and at the heart of this public and private maelstrom is a young woman > incapable of speaking for herself.

> I am disturbed by new rumors about the guardian's actions related to the > current care of Mrs. Schiavo. It has come to my attention that Mrs. Schiavo > has contracted a life threatening illness, and that she may be denied > appropriate treatment. If true, this indicates a decision by her caregivers > to initiate an "exit protocol" that may include withholding treatment from > Mrs. Schiavo until her death, which would render this Court's ultimate > decision moot. While the issue of Mrs. Schiavo's care is still before the > Court, I urge you to ensure that no act of omission or commission be allowed > to adversely affect Mrs. Schiavo's health before the September 11th hearing > you have set. No one involved should be permitted to circumvent due process > or the Court's authority in order to achieve personal objectives in this > case.

> Even discounting these rumors, there are a number of factual disputes > regarding Mrs. Schiavo's medical condition, past and current care and > therapy, and her prognosis. Given the contradictory positions of her > guardian and other family members, I respectfully ask that you re-appoint a > qualified guardian ad litem to independently investigate the circumstances > of this case, and provide the Court an unbiased view that considers only the > best interests of Mrs. Schiavo.

> It is a fine balance between Mrs. Schiavo's right to privacy and her right > to life, both of which are co-equal in our Constitution. To err on one side > is to prolong her existence, perhaps against her wishes, and continue the > debate. To err on the other is an irrevocable act that affords no > remediation. I respectfully ask that you give Mrs. Schiavo's family the > opportunity to present any new evidence as to her wishes. Evidence as to > her wishes should be reweighed as often as necessary to take into account > the effect of any new evidence, that is, to determine whether "clear and > convincing evidence" still exists that Mrs. Schiavo would now choose > withdrawal of life-prolonging procedures. While this process may delay the > surrogate's exercise of Mrs. Schiavo's privacy rights, it is necessary to > avoid denying her right to life. I urge you to err on the side of > conservative judgment to ensure that all facts can be uncovered and > considered before her life is terminated.

> I appreciate your compassion for Mrs. Schiavo's plight, and that of the > family members locked in dispute in these tragic circumstances. In light of > the ongoing contention related to so many issues in this case, I hope you > will consider appointing a guardian ad litem to ensure that the ultimate > decision is based on facts presented clearly, unclouded and uncolored by > personal interests of litigants.

> Sincerely,

> Jeb Bush

> cc: Patricia Fields Anderson, Esq.
> George J. Felos, Esq.


(WND article excerpts, cont.:) "On Friday, the Florida Supreme Court refused to intervene in the case, clearing the way for a Sept. 11 hearing in which Greer would set a date for removal of the feeding tube.

Terri's parents, Bob and Mary Schindler of Gulf Port, Fla., have been locked in a decade-long legal battle with their son-in-law over the care and custody of their daughter, who suffered massive brain damage when she collapsed at her home 13 years ago under unexplained circumstances at the age of 26.

***The bitter dispute over Terri's lack of care became a major euthanasia battle five years ago when her husband Michael Schiavo petitioned the court for permission to have her feeding tube removed, claiming she is in a persistent vegetative state and would not want to be kept alive "artificially." The Schindlers and a number of doctors and therapists believe she could be rehabilitated, but the courts have consistently sided with Schiavo and his lawyer, right-to-die advocate George Felos.

~~~~

The article is on CNSNews.com.

Florida Judge Rejects Governor's Bid to Help Terri Schiavo
By Jeff Johnson
CNSNews.com Congressional Bureau Chief
August 27, 2003

Capitol Hill (CNSNews.com) - Florida Circuit Judge George Greer Tuesday rejected a plea from Governor Jeb Bush to appoint a guardian ad litem to represent the best interests of Terri Schindler Schiavo, a 39-year-old disabled woman who suffered a brain injury in 1990 under questionable circumstances. Bush had intervened Monday after receiving 27,000 email messages asking for his help on Terri's behalf.

"I read [Gov. Bush's letter] because it came from the governor and I respect his position," Greer told the Tampa Tribune. "Beyond that, it is going in the file."

As CNSNews.com previously reported, Bush wrote Greer Monday asking him not to remove the disabled woman's feeding tube until a new guardian ad litem could "independently investigate" her condition. In the letter, Bush referenced the "fine balance between Mrs. Schiavo's right to privacy and her right to life," which Bush noted are co-equal under the Constitution.

"To err on one side is to prolong her existence, perhaps against her wishes and to continue the debate," Bush wrote. "To err on the other is an irrevocable act that affords no remediation."

But Greer told the Associated Press that he no longer has a choice in the matter.

"Frankly, I think I'm operating under a mandate from the 2nd District Court of Appeals," Greer said, "and frankly I don't think I can stray from that mandate."

In that same interview, however, the judge contradicted his own assessment of the limitation on his authority by stating that he was "not inclined" to appoint a guardian ad litem.

Michael Schiavo called Gov. Bush's intervention on behalf of Terri "crazy."

"The governor has deliberately twisted the facts in this case in an apparent effort to kowtow to his right-to-life political supporters," Schiavo told Tampa Tribune reporter David Sommer. "This has nothing to do with him. He should stay out of it."

Schiavo - who, for five years, has been seeking judicial approval to end his wife's life by denying her nutrition and hydration - also accused Terri's parents of manipulating their Catholic faith to keep their daughter alive.

"I believe in God and so did (?) Terri," Schiavo said, speaking of his still living wife in the past tense, "but they are out to push it on people... suddenly they are on a religious kick."

Judge refuses motion for hearing to set 'death date'

Greer also denied a motion Tuesday to hold an immediate hearing to set a date for the removal of Terri's nutrition and hydration tube. The hearing will be held, as previously announced, on Sept. 11. At that hearing, Greer will also rule on whether Schiavo may legally prohibit Terri's priest from visiting her.

Schiavo's attorney, George Felos, had also petitioned the court Monday to prohibit doctors from caring for Terri's current fever, labored breathing, vomiting, diarrhea and a "substantial infection."

"Given the imminence of the ward's death, further treatment (other than comfort care) for the ward's infection and other medical problems is unnecessary, unwarranted, inappropriate and futile," Felos said in an emergency motion, adding that Terri, "should be put back in hospice and receive comfort care and die in a peaceful setting."

Greer denied that motion, as well.

55 posted on 08/27/2003 5:29 PM EDT by yhwhsman ("Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small..." -Sir Winston Churchill)


Michael Schiavo is using "privacy" as an excuse for denying Terri every contact from the outside world, even flowers. "One sign of the case's nastiness is the Schindlers' complaint that Schiavo limits their visits with their daughter. They also say he has refused to allow doctors to examine her, refused her antibiotics and needed dental work, refused to replace a broken wheelchair so she could be taken outdoors and refused the delivery of flowers from a friend to her room on her birthday."

"Her teeth are fine; she doesn't eat," Michael Schiavo said. "Why take her to a gynecologist? She was supposed to die months ago. I don't want her room filled with flowers from strangers or right-to-life activists. Even though she is vegetative she has a right to privacy."

17 posted on 08/27/2003 10:14 AM EDT by I still care

***

I thought Gov Bush very eloquently made his case here, in this part:

To err on one side is to prolong her existence, perhaps against her wishes, and continue the debate. To err on the other is an irrevocable act that affords no remediation.

18 posted on 08/27/2003 10:14 AM EDT by summer


***

..this judge is going to look really bad if this part is ignored by the judge:

Even discounting these rumors, there are a number of factual disputes > regarding Mrs. Schiavo's medical condition, past and current care and > therapy, and her prognosis. Given the contradictory positions of her > guardian and other family members

21 posted on 08/27/2003 10:17 AM EDT by summer

***

HE SHOULD HAVE OR COULD HAVE HONORED GOV. BUSH'S REQUEST TO ASSIGN A GUARDIAN AD LITEM to represent Terri's interest instead of once again, taking the side of the husband. Judge Greer is from the Sixth Circuit Court, Pinellas County.

That is one thing that floors me .. This Judge should have long ago appointed an independent Guardian Ad Litem and not left her husband as her sole guardian .. especially since there are questions about her husband with abuse and the fractured bones that were reveled in xrays of Terry.

Everything I have read .. this Judge seems hell bent on having her killed

73 posted on 08/28/2003 2:45 AM EDT by Mo1 (http://www.favewavs.com/wavs/cartoons/spdemocrats.wav)

***

I know that Mr. Schiavo has tried to ban Terri's mother and family and priest from seeing her.

But, I don't know how a court could prevent doctors from ordering therapy, speach therapy (which is often actually swallowing therapy) and most especially oral nutrition.

27 posted on 08/26/2003 7:34 PM EDT by hocndoc (Choice is the # 1 killer in the US)

***

Judge Greer has been with the husband since day one. A guardian ad litem would have been fair for Terri and her parents. Her parents love her but they are treated as the enemy. I'm ashamed this is happening in Pinellas County.

31 posted on 08/26/2003 7:41 PM EDT by floriduh voter


Judge Greer will not appoint a guardian ad litem. I have phone numbers from the phone book for the Clearwater Courthouse and all the guardianship phone numbers. He husband held a presser today and was very flippant about Jeb's letter and called the emailers a "bunch of right to lifers."

Hubby is looking a little nervous but with a pal like Judge Greer who is no Judge Moore, Terri has until the September 11 hearing to decide the date her starvation begins.

Here are the phone numbers: courthouse - 727-464-3000, guardianship numbers: 727-582-7563, 727-582-7771, and 727-464-8700. We can at least call as friends of Terri and voice our concerns.

25 posted on 08/26/2003 7:34 PM EDT by floriduh voter


Freepers, please call the Juducial Qualification Commission regarding Judge Greer:  1-850-488-1581.

***

Contact friends, thank those have been fighting on Terri's behalf, including Glenn Beck, Lars Larson, CNS News.com, WND, and Bill O'Reilly.

*** Terri Schindler Schiavo's website - background and news updates: www.terrisfight.org ***

8 Terri Schiavo's website Media Contacts

Governor Jeb Bush (R)
Office of The Governor
Florida Capitol Building, PL-05
Tallahassee, FL 32399-0001
(850) 488-7146
(850) 488-4441
jeb.bush@myflorida.com

The Honorable(?) George W. Greer
6th Judicial Circuit
315 Court Street, Room 484
Clearwater, FL 33756
(727) 464-3933
ggreer@co.pinellas.fl.us

Attorney General Charlie Crist
Office of Attorney General
State of Florida
The Capitol
Tallahassee, FL 32399-1050
(850) 487-1963
Fax: (850) 487-2564
ag@oag.state.fl.us



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To: Theodore R.
There should be a push to get this IL language in the laws of other states

Right. How about volunteering to begin this in your state? I just emailed State Senator Pam Roach about this issue. There is a (Christian) King County Council member that I can count on for support as well.

No time like the present...

3,661 posted on 09/13/2003 1:17:46 PM PDT by MarMema (KILLING ISN'T MEDICINE)
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To: MarMema
Someone who might favor this kind of law would be the conservative State Sen. Todd Staples, R-Palestine, I would hope. I don't think any of my south TX delegation would be interested, but I can try to contact them and see.
3,662 posted on 09/13/2003 1:19:37 PM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: Theodore R.
I wish I had been able to keep the letter I just emailed, in case it brought you some ideas. But I lost it after sending it on one of those places where you type into a box. But I mentioned Terri and gave her website, and I brought up all the people who had already been killed that I could think of at the time, and I spoke about how cruel it was and how we had advanced from patients in a coma who were unresponsive, to patients who were conscious and some able to ask for food and water.

Feel free to give my FR profile page out as a place to read many stories.

I also made the point that this might not be something you care much about until it is your daughter lying in the bed about to be killed. I spoke about the horror facing the Schindlers, I said that I could only imagine what they were dealing with, and I tried to put forth a verbal picture of them going to see their daughter daily knowing she was dying from a lack of something as simple as water, available in every household in this country.

I said that it is against the law to do this to a horse or a cat but is happening to the mentally ill, elderly and confused, probably much more often than we know.

I said that only the cases in which the family disagrees or the nursing staff contacts the media are we able to know about these situations.
Hope this is of some help.

I gave the link above for the Act in Illinois and quoted the parts that Deo quoted.
And I said that I was a republican and a Christian..

3,663 posted on 09/13/2003 1:49:16 PM PDT by MarMema (KILLING ISN'T MEDICINE)
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To: Theodore R.
Addition....I also made sure to point out how long it took to kill them. Not a quick or easy death.
3,664 posted on 09/13/2003 1:50:44 PM PDT by MarMema (KILLING ISN'T MEDICINE)
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To: floriduh voter
I wasn't able to check the internet yesterday....just catching up on what's happening.
Glad I could make folks laugh with my bumps! (I like making people laugh...I actually am studying to be an improvisational comedian. Although I am not feeling very funny this weekend.....I actually am quite a bit angry at God, and am not speaking to him at the moment....)
3,665 posted on 09/13/2003 3:20:57 PM PDT by sfRummygirl (SAVE TERRI SHINDLER SCHIAVO...ping kimmie7)
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To: MarMema
Those lawyers have got to go back into Judge Lazzara's courtroom Tuesday and argue for all it's worth the following from the Amended Complaint (in my humble, legally-challenged opinion, since I'm a law school dropout!)

78. The state court proceedings and the minimal quality of proof required to
establish clear and convincing evidence of Terri's supposed intent to refuse food and
water as medical treatment constitute insufficient due process for protection of her federal
constitutional right to life.

79. Terri's Fifth Amendment right to life is also violated by the ex post facto
application to her situation of a 1999 Florida statutory amendment which by its terms
operates only prospectively, adding food and hydration to the categories of medical
treatment a patient has the right to refuse under that state's Living Will Law and that
state's Constitution.

80. There was no evidence in the state court proceedings that Terri ever referred
specifically to food and hydration in her alleged remark about "nothing artificial" made at
a time when Florida law did not allow for termination of food and hydration.



Supposing (and that's a big IF) she told Michael that she didn't want anything "artifical", she CERTAINLY DIDN'T SAY SHE WANTED TO STARVE TO DEATH AND DEHYDRATE AND SHRIVEL UP!!!! Where's the proof of that, Michael??
AND, even if she had, the State of Florida would not have let her, since it was ILLEGAL until 1999.

Terri never had the chance to consider the 1999 statutory amendment. A court may only assume she meant the "artificial means" that were in the law's definitions at that time. How can a court presume to 'read the mind' of a person regarding food and water, WHICH WERE NOT DEFINED in 1990 as "extraordinary" or "artifical" treatments.
(They still aren't in many states, including ILLINOIS).

IN FACT, food and water were considered ORDINARY means of sustenance in 1990 in Florida. That's what the people of Florida knew them to be. It was common knowledge. It's reflected in the statute. How does the court "know" that Terri considered them "artificial"? How did Judge Greer discern that? He's never even visited Terri!
How does he know something about Terri's wishes is 1990 that the Law didn't even contemplate?

The law MUST apply to her and her situation in 1990, NOT 1999. In 1990, depriving a patient of food and water was ILLEGAL. It's STILL ILLEGAL to do this to Terri. If she had collapsed a day after the 1999 amendment was signed into law, it might be a different story.

THIS IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

They're going to deprive her of her Fifth Amendment rights to life EX POST FACTO.

They don't even deprive condemned prisoners of their lives EX POST FACTO.


"Judge Lazzara, You MUST NOT allow this to happen. You are a FEDERAL JUDGE, and YOU DAMN WELL HAVE JURISDICTION when a state judge is hell-bent on violating a person's FIFTH AMENDMENT RIGHTS. Those are FEDERAL RIGHTS!
What do you say, Your Honor?"


3,666 posted on 09/13/2003 3:24:43 PM PDT by Deo volente (God willing, Terri will live.)
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To: sfRummygirl; gocartoons
Well, if you're angry at God, you better tell him, ya think? We need all the comedians we can get here at free republic.

Everyone say hi to my brother "gocartoons". FV

3,667 posted on 09/13/2003 3:34:47 PM PDT by floriduh voter (Freepsearchers get an A every day!)
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To: kimmie7
Am I on your ping list? If not, please add me!!

Blessings,
trussell
3,668 posted on 09/13/2003 5:07:06 PM PDT by trussell (Prayer, It does a body good!!)
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To: floriduh voter; gocartoons
Hi and welcome FV's brother, gocartoons!
3,669 posted on 09/13/2003 5:08:44 PM PDT by windchime
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To: Deo volente
Fron a fellow law school drop-out - my reaction to your post 3666 :

Badda Bing,Badda Bang!!!

3,670 posted on 09/13/2003 5:28:59 PM PDT by Robert Drobot
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To: Deo volente
In the U.S. Constitution, "ex post facto" pertains only to criminal violations, I believe. I would imagine that George W. Greer, not being a criminal judge, considers himself unbound by ex post facto considerations here. I don't know how a federal judge would reconcile the ex post facto problem for Greer, Felos, and Schiavo. I am afraid this federal judge will refuse to get into the matter and say it is a FL issue -- he may be a Pontius Pilate, 2003 version.
3,671 posted on 09/13/2003 5:36:02 PM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: Deo volente
Is there an uproar in Pinellas Co. over this case? Apparently, it is being fully covered only in Pinellas Co. There seems to be a national blackout of the case. I seem to recall the Finn case getting more national coverage back in 1998-99 than Terri's fight is now receiving.

Greer will go through with the killing if he thinks he can survive politically. Even if he has to yield his seat (which he would doubt), he is so determined to kill the poor creature that nothing short of divine intervention AGAIN can stop him before he kills.

Oh, Lord, please stop George W. Greer before he starves this woman to death.
3,672 posted on 09/13/2003 5:39:19 PM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: MarMema
That is what happened in the Cruzan case.

Thanks for letting me know.

3,673 posted on 09/13/2003 5:47:48 PM PDT by syriacus ( Prankin' Al Franken says---My letter to Ashcroft was not a lie...it was a prank. 9/7/03)
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To: Theodore R.
Is there an uproar in Pinellas Co. over this case?

Unfortunatley the St. Pete times has done an excellent job of covering this case in a very pro M. Schiavo light so the public has been misled.

3,674 posted on 09/13/2003 5:57:19 PM PDT by blueriver
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To: Robert Drobot
He is guardian now, because he is, under law, her husband.

Thank you for the explanation..

3,675 posted on 09/13/2003 6:08:34 PM PDT by syriacus ( Prankin' Al Franken says---My letter to Ashcroft was not a lie...it was a prank. 9/7/03)
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To: Theodore R.
This is what Terrisfight.org says about the bodyguards.

March 7, 2000 – Judge Greer denies petition to perform a swallowing test to see if Terri has the ability to swallow. Judge Greer also: 


3,676 posted on 09/13/2003 6:16:28 PM PDT by syriacus ( Prankin' Al Franken says---My letter to Ashcroft was not a lie...it was a prank. 9/7/03)
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To: Theodore R.
"In the U.S. Constitution, "ex post facto" pertains only to criminal violations, I believe."



I believe you're correct, in the strict sense of the word.

I think the lawyers mean that the RETROACTIVE application of the 1999 statutory amendment to Terri's case is wrong. By the court's doing so, she would be deprived of her life without "due process of law".

THAT'S the Fifth Amendment issue, and if so, Judge Lazzara's court certainly has jurisdiction.

The argument is that Judge Greer has not afforded Terri due process, in jumping on the 1999 amendment's added categories of food and water, and allowing them to be applied to Terri, who became disabled in 1990, long before the new law took effect. There's no evidence whatsoever that she specifically meant to include "food and water" when she told Michael, "Nothing artificial". The presumption has to be that she did not, and that she considered food and water to be ORDINARY means. After all, that's what the Law itself was in 1990.
In fact, she would not have had the right to request cessation of food and water in 1990. How they can give her something she had no right to have?

What Greer is doing to Terri is NOT "due process" under the Living Will Law of 1990. That's the law that should apply to her, NOT 1999, years later.

ANY LAWYERS OUT THERE? I'm stumbling around in the dark here!

3,677 posted on 09/13/2003 6:21:10 PM PDT by Deo volente (God willing, Terri will live.)
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To: syriacus
Greer has allowed Terri's fund to be squandered by M. Schiavo, no wonder he wants her dead.
3,678 posted on 09/13/2003 6:27:17 PM PDT by blueriver
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To: Deo volente
He only "remembered" that she said she would not want to live by "artificial" means after winning the malpractice lawsuit 3 years later. So the whole case is spurious nonsense. I have no clue why the 2nd District Court of Appeals played into this game. Michael got his brother to say she said it. I don't know who else but his brother from what I heard him say in some news snippet I recently read is more than likely just as corrupt as Michael as witnessed by his (smug?) response that if the law says it's ok it's ok for Terri to be murdered (starved to death), etc. This is not going to stand. These criminals need to be reigned in.
3,679 posted on 09/13/2003 6:29:35 PM PDT by pc93 (Mandate 2nd District Court of Appeals can still be followed after Terri gets her rehabilitation)
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To: pc93
"He only "remembered" that she said she would not want to live by "artificial" means after winning the malpractice lawsuit 3 years later. So the whole case is spurious nonsense. "



THAT'S RIGHT!!

HE only "remembered", after winning his jackpot.

This case wouldn't hold up in a kindergarten court.

"spurious nonsense" says it all!

3,680 posted on 09/13/2003 6:42:55 PM PDT by Deo volente (God willing, Terri will live.)
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