Busload Arrested and Led Away from Ten Commandments

WTVM ^ | 08-20-03

[Selmo]

Supporters of Chief Justice Roy Moore have been handcuffed and led away from the Ten Commandments monument in Montgomery. They had refused to leave the monument after Moore lost a last-ditch appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court this afternoon. The federal judge who ordered the monument's removal is now expected to consider a contempt of court finding on Friday. That could set the stage for the monument to be removed ... or fines imposed on the state.

Scores of Moore supporters sang and prayed outside the building as about 20 inside were removed from the rotunda. It wasn't immediately known if they would be charged by Montgomery police.

Associate Justice Douglas Johnston issued a statement saying he had proposed moving the monument to a private area of the judicial building after six o'clock this evening. He said that would avert any fines while Moore pursues appeals that could take months. But he said fewer than five of the justices concurred, and his proposal was not approved.

The associate justices have indicated they may take action later.

Stay tuned to News Leader 9 for complete Skyteam 9 live coverage.

[BSunday]

Here is where you and I are going to really disagree. The church of Christ is a body which does not believe the Old Testament law is to be imposed on us today, including the ten commandments. However, I will contend that the church of Christ is no denomination, but the one true church.

[Elsie]

To believe such a RADICAL idea, you SURELY must have some Scripture to back that up; don't you??

[keats5]

"God help America."

Why should He?

[BSunday]

How many churches did Christ build/die for?

The church that Jesus built has several characteristics. Name me the church that does ALL of the following:

Believes in salvation by immersion (ACTS 2:38)
Takes the Lord's supper every first day of the week (ACTS 20:7)
Worships without musical instruments (Eph 5:19, Col 3:16)
Is called by the name church of Christ (Rom 16:16)

[Elsie]

NIV Acts 20:7
 7.  On the first day of the week we came together to break bread. Paul spoke to the people and, because he intended to leave the next day, kept on talking until midnight.

It says NOTHING about doing this EVERY week.........

 

The LORD's SUPPER was a PASSOVER meal: something that happened ONCE a year......

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NIV Ephesians 5:19-20
 19.  Speak to one another with psalms, hymns and spiritual songs. Sing and make music in your heart to the Lord,
 20.  always giving thanks to God the Father for everything, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.

 

NIV Colossians 3:16
 16.  Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly as you teach and admonish one another with all wisdom, and as you sing psalms, hymns and spiritual songs with gratitude in your hearts to God.

 

What do you make of THESE instruments mentioned?

1 Corinthians 14:7-8
 7.  Even in the case of lifeless things that make sounds, such as the flute or harp, how will anyone know what tune is being played unless there is a distinction in the notes?
 8.  Again, if the trumpet does not sound a clear call, who will get ready for battle?

 

NIV Revelation 5:8
 8.  And when he had taken it, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb. Each one had a harp and they were holding golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints

 

NIV Revelation 14:2-3
 2.  And I heard a sound from heaven like the roar of rushing waters and like a loud peal of thunder. The sound I heard was like that of harpists playing their harps.
 3.  And they sang a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders. No one could learn the song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth.

 

NIV Revelation 15:2-3
 2.  And I saw what looked like a sea of glass mixed with fire and, standing beside the sea, those who had been victorious over the beast and his image and over the number of his name. They held harps given them by God
 3.  and sang the song of Moses the servant of God and the song of the Lamb: "Great and marvelous are your deeds, Lord God Almighty. Just and true are your ways, King of the ages.

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NIV Romans 16:16
 16.  Greet one another with a holy kiss. All the churches of Christ send greetings.

So... do you KISS one another as well????

 

[Elsie]

Name me the church that does ALL of the following:

Name me ANY church that does the following:

1 Corinthians 14:33-34
33. For God is not a God of disorder but of peace. As in all the congregations of the saints,
34. women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says.

[BSunday]

You are taking that scripture out of context, my friend. It has to do with prophecy, which does not exist any longer. The principle that Paul teaches elsewhere is that women should not have a leadership role over men. But I'm not going to get drawn into an argument over the role of women. I notice you did not really answer my previous post.

[BSunday]

You are EXTREMELY misled pertaining to the meaning and the celebration of the Lord's Supper. the Bible says they did it on the first day of the week. The first day of EVERY week being unnecessary to say. Acts 20 is worded as though it was their regular custom to do so, and even history tells us they did it every week. The purpose is NOT to celebrate the PASSOVER!(I Cor 10:16) Why would a CHRISTIAN celebrate the JEWISH PASSOVER???? The purpose, as is outlined in the NT, is the proclaim the LORD's DEATH til he comes again.(I Cor 11:26)

As to your ridiculous use of the musical instruments mentioned in the NT, let us examine those examples one at a time.

1 Corinthians 14:7-8 7. Even in the case of lifeless things that make sounds, such as the flute or harp, how will anyone know what tune is being played unless there is a distinction in the notes? 8. Again, if the trumpet does not sound a clear call, who will get ready for battle?
This is what is popularly known as a METAPHOR, intended for teaching. Paul was talking about Prophecy, not worshiping the Lord with instruments.

NIV Revelation 5:8 8. And when he had taken it, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb. Each one had a harp and they were holding golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints

NIV Revelation 14:2-3 2. And I heard a sound from heaven like the roar of rushing waters and like a loud peal of thunder. The sound I heard was like that of harpists playing their harps. 3. And they sang a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders. No one could learn the song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth.

NIV Revelation 15:2-3 2. And I saw what looked like a sea of glass mixed with fire and, standing beside the sea, those who had been victorious over the beast and his image and over the number of his name. They held harps given them by God 3. and sang the song of Moses the servant of God and the song of the Lamb: "Great and marvelous are your deeds, Lord God Almighty. Just and true are your ways, King of the ages.

I grouped these all together because they all come from the book of Revelation and they all refer not to literal instruments. Revelation is an EXTREMELY figurative book.

[BSunday]

Oh Sorry, I forgot about your last point:

NIV Romans 16:16 16. Greet one another with a holy kiss. All the churches of Christ send greetings. So... do you KISS one another as well????

No, but that was the traditional greeting of the day (let's not forget to keep in context), and we ,do greet each other with the traditional greeting of our day, which is the handshake and/or hug.

[Elsie]

It sure is amazing the things that are IN context and the things that aren't!

[Elsie]

As to your ridiculous use of the musical instruments mentioned in the NT.......

So then; is it true that you do NOT use any musical instruments in your services because they are not found in the NT?

[#3Fan]

hmmm. This is coinciding with the Mars approach. The stars are for signs and seasons. Jacob's trouble on the way?

[Elsie]

 

Acts 20 is worded as though it was their regular custom to do so,

No; it's not....

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CONTEXT!!!

 

They are on a TRIP..............

 

Acts 20

 

 1.  When the uproar had ended, Paul sent for the disciples and, after encouraging them, said good-by and set out for Macedonia.
 2.  He traveled through that area, speaking many words of encouragement to the people, and finally arrived in Greece,
 3.  where he stayed three months. Because the Jews made a plot against him just as he was about to sail for Syria, he decided to go back through Macedonia.
 4.  He was accompanied by Sopater son of Pyrrhus from Berea, Aristarchus and Secundus from Thessalonica, Gaius from Derbe, Timothy also, and Tychicus and Trophimus from the province of Asia.
 5.  These men went on ahead and waited for us at Troas.
 6.  But we sailed from Philippi after the Feast of Unleavened Bread, and five days later joined the others at Troas, where we stayed seven days.
 7.  On the first day of the week we came together to break bread. Paul spoke to the people and, because he intended to leave the next day, kept on talking until midnight.
 8.  There were many lamps in the upstairs room where we were meeting.
 9.  Seated in a window was a young man named Eutychus, who was sinking into a deep sleep as Paul talked on and on. When he was sound asleep, he fell to the ground from the third story and was picked up dead.
 10.  Paul went down, threw himself on the young man and put his arms around him. "Don't be alarmed," he said. "He's alive!"
 11.  Then he went upstairs again and broke bread and ate. After talking until daylight, he left.
 12.  The people took the young man home alive and were greatly comforted.
 13.  We went on ahead to the ship and sailed for Assos, where we were going to take Paul aboard. He had made this arrangement because he was going there on foot.

 

They were there 7 days and ate as a group on the first of the week.

 

If you REALLY go by the Scriptures, you will STAY in church until after midnight, and then EAT AGAIN!

[Elsie]

Jeremiah 30

 

 1.  This is the word that came to Jeremiah from the LORD:
 2.  "This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: `Write in a book all the words I have spoken to you.
 3.  The days are coming,' declares the LORD, `when I will bring my people Israel and Judah back from captivity  and restore them to the land I gave their forefathers to possess,' says the LORD."
 4.  These are the words the LORD spoke concerning Israel and Judah:
 5.  "This is what the LORD says: "`Cries of fear are heard-- terror, not peace.
 6.  Ask and see: Can a man bear children? Then why do I see every strong man with his hands on his stomach like a woman in labor, every face turned deathly pale?
 7.  How awful that day will be! None will be like it. It will be a time of trouble for Jacob, but he will be saved out of it.

 

Stomach flu?  Intestinal problems? or Hitler's gases???

[#3Fan]

Thanks. "None will be like it". It has to be pretty bad to make the statement "none will be like it". Future, no doubt.

[BSunday]

Your analysis of that context is utterly bizarre. They were indeed on a trip. SO WHAT? It doesn't matter. What do you think they did on the FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK? GO TO SHONEY'S FOR BREAKFAST??? They came together to worship, which naturally included taking the Lord's Supper, which they did EVERY SUNDAY. What does the fact that Paul spoke til midnight have to do with the church today? Are you saying that it consitutes a commandment for all preachers (not pastore btw) to preach til midnight??? That is ludicrous. You need to learn how to properly interpret the scriptures, lady.

[Protagoras]

Or the Establishment of

If you are trying to make a point include the whole thing. Editing doesn't help credibility.

[Chummy]

Excerpt from original post:

"To: Luis Gonzalez

"Here you go again. No, in the world, the Founders enumerated after much debate the first ten amendments to the US Constitution, and these are known popularly as the 'Bill of Rights'...
"# 563 by Chummy "
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Your response, repeated provocation excluded:

"There's another example of sloppy thinking, Chummy, on your part and by our Founders themselves. They named a list of government prohibitions a bill of men's 'Rights'

"The Bill of Rights does not 'list' our Rights. It numbers (enumerates) a few of our Rights...."

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Sloppy thinking on my part and by our Founders, but it's anything but if YOU state the Bill of Rights "...enumerates...a few of our Rights...?"

"...a few of our Rights...?"

Wow. Which of our Rights did these brilliant men overlook?

And you may choose to refer to these variously as Rights and Prohibitions all to make an attempt to prove your shaky point?

The Mad Hatter needs his watch back.

[Chummy]

"Or the Establishment of

"If you are trying to make a point include the whole thing. Editing doesn't help credibility. "

Precisely my point, Protagoras. The "other side" routinely edits the Constitution, and did so again in the ruling against Judge Moore, by excluding equal consideration for the language in the First Amendment concerning a prohibition against one's free practice of religious faith.

I did not edit, by the way, but used an excerpt for the purposes of clearly stating the additional language in the First Amendment concerning the freedom of, not from, religion.

What I did is nothing different from what one may see in a book on the mechanical arts in which a safety guard is removed for the purposes of clearly showing the procedure that is to be instructed.

In this case, the safety guard is the mask employed for decades by those who wish to reframe the meaning of our Constitution.

I'll put that illustrative "guard" back here to appease your insistence, not to "help my credibility,"

"...Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...."

Even in its complete form then, Protagoras, how are those of faith being denied the free exercise of religion?

[Protagoras]

I'm not going to argue the same old issues over and over. To make someone pay to propogate the ideas of others is immoral.