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Battle over evolution heating up
News 8 Austin ^ | 8/20/2003 | Antonio Castelan

Posted on 08/20/2003 6:24:57 PM PDT by new cruelty

The debate continues over what information Texas biology books should present.

The Texas Board of Education is looking to pick the best science book for students.

Members of a campaign called "Stand Up For Science'' said it's meant to protect the accurate teaching of evolution in Texas high school biology textbooks.

The push was unveiled on Wednesday by some religious leaders, scientists and parents. It comes as the state Board of Education prepares to adopt new biology textbooks this fall.

Terry Maxwell, a professor of biology at Angelo State University, doesn't believe creationism should be in biology textbooks.

"Science uses evidentiary reasoning and it uses no other approach," he said.

Creationists generally believe earth was formed supernaturally by God.

Reverend Tom Hegar said while he believes in God's powers, those ideas need to stay at home or in the church.

"Faith and science are complimentary. Don't use faith to build your science. Don't use science to try to destroy or shrink my faith," he said.

Seattle-based Discovery Institute believes the theory of intelligent design should be in Texas biology books. According to the Institute, intelligent design is the hypothesis that certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not an undirected process such as natural selection.

Science backers say that's the same thing as creationism.

"Textbooks should fix embarrassing factual errors and tell students about the scientific weakness of neo-Darwinism as well as its strengths," Discovery Institute officials stated in a faxed memo.

Maxwell said two different ideologies make it harder for students to learn science.

"If you interject ways of knowing other than the way science is practiced by mainstream science you confuse children," he said.

Austin biology teacher Amanda Walker said evolution is the cornerstone for understanding the living world, and influences medicine such as prostate cancer, heart disease and AIDS.

The evolution proponents also criticized what they said are attempts to teach creationist theories.

The Board of Education can reject books because of errors or failure to follow the state curriculum.

The board will make its final decision on the biology textbooks in November.

People have until Thursday, Aug. 21, to sign up to speak at the final public hearing Sept. 10.

In July, the first public hearing brought 42 speakers who offered their opinions at the public hearing on biology, but only half of them were familiar with the particular books.

Board member Gail Lowe said then she was disappointed that many of the people who testified for or against certain textbooks hadn't actually read them.

"They seem to be here to express a viewpoint, but it doesn't seem to relate to the textbooks we're actually considering," she said.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: biology; creation; crevolist; evolution; scienceeducation; textbooks
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1 posted on 08/20/2003 6:24:57 PM PDT by new cruelty
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To: new cruelty
Socialism. Evolution. Global warming. And the list of liberal scams goes on and on and on as long as they are in a position to brainwash the naive via media and "education."
2 posted on 08/20/2003 6:35:59 PM PDT by gg188
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To: new cruelty
I'd contribute to stand up for science.

It amazes me that Conservatives are proud of the fact that a lot of them subscribe to such utterly inane beliefs as "creation science."

Next thing you know, we'll be pushing for alchemy to be taught along with real chemistry, because, damn it, that's what the medieval Europeans believed.
3 posted on 08/20/2003 6:54:52 PM PDT by TheAngryClam (TOM McCLINTOCK is my choice for governor. He should be yours too.)
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To: gg188
"Textbooks should fix embarrassing factual errors and tell students about the scientific weakness of neo-Darwinism as well as its strengths," Discovery Institute officials stated in a faxed memo.

If the media aren't allowed to spin this affair into a replay of "Inherit the Wind" where all the conclusions are neatly spelled out in advance of the facts, the textbook situation in this country might stand a chance of getting aired out. Textbook publishers have turned into little more than paper mills. Anything they can get Texas and California to buy will be snapped up by everybody else, no matter how chock-full of boneheaded mistakes, myths, and disproved "facts" they are.

Not that anybody reads them these days....

4 posted on 08/20/2003 6:55:01 PM PDT by thulldud (It's bad luck to be superstitious.)
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To: VadeRetro; jennyp; Junior; longshadow; *crevo_list; RadioAstronomer; Scully; Piltdown_Woman; ...
PING. [This ping list is for the evolution side of evolution threads, and sometimes for other science topics. FReepmail me to be added or dropped.]
5 posted on 08/20/2003 6:55:17 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas.)
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To: TheAngryClam
Be amazed then. Creationism has nothing to do with alchemy.
6 posted on 08/20/2003 6:56:34 PM PDT by thulldud (It's bad luck to be superstitious.)
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To: PatrickHenry
Happy, he who was able to know the causes of things.

I loved that part of the Georgics. I liked De Rerum Natura even more.
7 posted on 08/20/2003 6:57:52 PM PDT by TheAngryClam (TOM McCLINTOCK is my choice for governor. He should be yours too.)
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To: thulldud
They're exactly comparable: utterly fantastical and false belief systems, which have a large following built up around their false and/or unprovable premises.
8 posted on 08/20/2003 6:58:40 PM PDT by TheAngryClam (TOM McCLINTOCK is my choice for governor. He should be yours too.)
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To: TheAngryClam
Ah, a classics scholar.
9 posted on 08/20/2003 7:01:14 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas.)
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To: All
A very few links from the famous "list-o-links" (so the creationists don't get to start each new thread from ground zero).

15 Answers to Creationist Nonsense. From Scientific American
Project Steve: FAQs (National Center for Science Education)
Arguments we think creationists should NOT use from Answers in Genesis.

The foregoing is just a tiny sample. So that everyone will have access to the accumulated Creationism vs. Evolution threads which have previously appeared on FreeRepublic, plus links to hundreds of sites with a vast amount of information on this topic, here's Junior's massive work, available for all to review:
The Ultimate Creation vs. Evolution Resource [ver 21].

10 posted on 08/20/2003 7:03:22 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas.)
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To: TheAngryClam
Well, I seem to remember when I was studying chemistry, that some attention to alchemy was not considered to be out of place. Alchemy morphed into chemistry when people started working from a proper foundation, seeking to understand what was going on instead of looking for some magic formula for "riches". You're certainly not against schools teaching THAT, I hope.
11 posted on 08/20/2003 7:07:40 PM PDT by thulldud (It's bad luck to be superstitious.)
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To: new cruelty
FYI…

A Preliminary Analysis of the Treatment of Evolution in Biology Textbooks

Columnist at Austin Chronicle Offers Poorly Designed Arguments

Critics accuse publisher of changing textbook

Institute supports accurate science

Darwinism critics have viable view

Evolutionist overreacts

12 posted on 08/20/2003 7:08:37 PM PDT by Heartlander
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To: Heartlander
Thanks for the links.
13 posted on 08/20/2003 7:10:10 PM PDT by new cruelty
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To: All
Threads like this one often become rather heated, therefore ...

For your information: many of the regulars on the science threads here on Free Republic have joined in the AGREEMENT OF THE WILLING to promote civil discourse and to avoid flame wars which lead to excessive use of the abuse button, transfer to the Smokey Backroom, and ultimately ... thread deletion. I respectfully ask that you read the linked agreement so that you will know what the willing parties expect of one another and their dealings with others.

14 posted on 08/20/2003 7:12:37 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas.)
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To: PatrickHenry
Very much so.

Was pretty good at it too- several nice pieces of paper tell me so.
15 posted on 08/20/2003 7:16:39 PM PDT by TheAngryClam (TOM McCLINTOCK is my choice for governor. He should be yours too.)
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To: All
Here's a thread from a couple of weeks ago on a related topic: Board of Education to hear evolution debate [New Mexico].
16 posted on 08/20/2003 7:17:22 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas.)
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To: thulldud
Somehow, I doubt that these people will be happy about teaching that creationism was a false premise that gave way to evolution.
17 posted on 08/20/2003 7:17:48 PM PDT by TheAngryClam (TOM McCLINTOCK is my choice for governor. He should be yours too.)
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To: gg188
I agree with you on socialism and global warming.

But evolution. It's a fact, pal. Deal with it.


Bob
18 posted on 08/20/2003 7:20:00 PM PDT by Signalman
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To: TheAngryClam
Was pretty good at it too- several nice pieces of paper tell me so.

Then you're way ahead of me. All I had was 3 years of Latin in high school. It was sufficient to give me an absurdly fond impression of the classical period.

19 posted on 08/20/2003 7:20:48 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas.)
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To: new cruelty
Why do humans spend time building things. If they would just wait, it would magically pop out of the Earth by the brillant mind that is evolution. According to many people, evolution is the most intelligent force in the universe. I wish someone would introduce me to Mr. or Mrs. Evolution. I want to meet this brillant builder of things. If it can build a complex human, imagine what kind of automobile or energy plant it build for us. I'm glad we have so many brillant teachers who understand the mind of Evolution, and are willing to share it with our kids, to bring them out of the darkness of religious stupidity.
20 posted on 08/20/2003 7:21:44 PM PDT by Russell Scott (The whole creation groans in pain waiting for the manifestation of Christ's Kingdom)
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