New Dinosaur Species Found in India

AP ^ | August 13, 2003 | RAMOLA TALWAR BADAM

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By RAMOLA TALWAR BADAM, Associated Press Writer

BOMBAY, India - U.S. and Indian scientists said Wednesday they have discovered a new carnivorous dinosaur species in India after finding bones in the western part of the country.

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The new dinosaur species was named Rajasaurus narmadensis, or "Regal reptile from the Narmada," after the Narmada River region where the bones were found.

The dinosaurs were between 25-30 feet long, had a horn above their skulls, were relatively heavy and walked on two legs, scientists said. They preyed on long-necked herbivorous dinosaurs on the Indian subcontinent during the Cretaceous Period at the end of the dinosaur age, 65 million years ago.

"It's fabulous to be able to see this dinosaur which lived as the age of dinosaurs came to a close," said Paul Sereno, a paleontologist at the University of Chicago. "It was a significant predator that was related to species on continental Africa, Madagascar and South America."

Working with Indian scientists, Sereno and paleontologist Jeff Wilson of the University of Michigan reconstructed the dinosaur skull in a project funded partly by the National Geographic (news - web sites) Society.

A model of the assembled skull was presented Wednesday by the American scientists to their counterparts from Punjab University in northern India and the Geological Survey of India during a Bombay news conference.

Scientists said they hope the discovery will help explain the extinction of the dinosaurs and the shifting of the continents — how India separated from Africa, Madagascar, Australia and Antarctica and collided with Asia.

The dinosaur bones were discovered during the past 18 years by Indian scientists Suresh Srivastava of the Geological Survey of India and Ashok Sahni, a paleontologist at Punjab University.

When the bones were examined, "we realized we had a partial skeleton of an undiscovered species," Sereno said.

The scientists said they believe the Rajasaurus roamed the Southern Hemisphere land masses of present-day Madagascar, Africa and South America.

"People don't realize dinosaurs are the only large-bodied animal that lived, evolved and died at a time when all continents were united," Sereno said.

The cause of the dinosaurs' extinction is still debated by scientists. The Rajasaurus discovery may provide crucial clues, Sereno said.

India has seen quite a few paleontological discoveries recently.

In 1997, villagers discovered about 300 fossilized dinosaur eggs in Pisdura, 440 miles northeast of Bombay, that Indian scientists said were laid by four-legged, long-necked vegetarian creatures.

Indian scientists said the dinosaur embryos in the eggs may have suffocated during volcanic eruptions.

[whattajoke]

You could still have science without evolution.

Tis true, I suppose, but I prefer to accept science circa 2003, not 1700 or so. By discounting evolution, you are thereby directly discounting: geology, paleontology, genetics, limnology, and all arms of biology including but not confined to botany, morphology, anatomy, zoology, ichthyology, herpetology, ornithology, etc.

You are also, by the way, also discounting major tenets of agronomy, forestry, agriculture, astronomy, cosmology, archeology, oceanography, and medical science.

You are also ignoring reems of scientific journals, papers, books, studies, websites, experiments. The foods you eat are predicated on evolutionary study. The car you drive runs on fossil fuels which are found using loosely related means. The cotton in your shirts is farmed using evolutionary studies of boll weevils. The medicines you take, the grass you cut, and in the near future, perhaps even the OS you use, can all be tied into evolutionary ideas, practices, studies, and proofs.

So yes, you can ignore it all you want, but unless you want to live like the caveman you refuse to believe even existed, you have a few things to learn.

[Right Wing Professor]

And, my points have been adequately made- so I will let them rest.

Good.

[Ichneumon]

Hitler believed in "providence" and "evolution." Not, Christianity.

You have a habit of believing what you want to believe, and seeing only that which you feel supports you while waving away all else with "that proves nothing". I will not waste my time providing you more information to ignore. But for those who believe in learning:

"Postwar Christian apologists have put perhaps their greatest efforts into creating the myth that Adolf Hitler was not a Christian. An entire cottage industry seems to have sprung up around the desire to perpetuate this myth, and while its motivations are perfectly understandable (who would want to be associated with Hitler in any way?), its dishonesty is unjustifiable. The truth, however uncomfortable, is still the truth."

[Junior]

I don't pretend to understand quantum physics, either, but I accept that folks more knowledgeable than me have done the experimentation necessary. The only folks I see questioning evolution are those with even a poorer grasp of biology than I have (simple, stupid mistakes on their part bear me out). Such do not promote feelings of confidence that they might be right.

[Junior]

Farenheit or Celsius? ;^)>

[DittoJed2]

NOTE TO ALL EVOLUTIONISTS ON THIS THREAD. DO NOT POST TO ME ANYTHING HAVING TO DO WITH THIS THREAD. I HAVE MADE THE POINTS I WISHED TO MAKE AND AM DONE WITH THIS THREAD. YOU HAVE CHOSEN TO REJECT THEM. THAT IS FINE. OTHERS CAN DECIDE FOR THEMSELVES. AGAIN, DO NOT POST TO ME.

[CobaltBlue]

Hitler's racial theories were not derived from Darwin, but from Count Gobineau's Inequality of the Human Races, published in 1845, more than a decade before Origin of Species (1859), and other 19th century theories about race that had little or nothing to do with Darwin.

Hitler, like many others during his time period, believed that "survival of the fittest" meant survival of that which he admired the most, namely, the "Aryan race", as blond as Hitler, as slim as Goering, and as manly as Goebbels.

Blaming Darwin for Social Darwinism is like blaming Adam Smith for Robber Barons (which we have seen done by Creationists, as well).

[AndrewC]

Well, I'm quite sure they are happy to see you go. It is their wish. They silence, by ridicule, those who would challenge their viewpoints.

[Lurking Libertarian]

Those of us who no longer choose to compromise the Bible with evolution are being scorned. That's ok, Jesus was also scorned and beaten and hung on a cross to die. If they hated Him they will hate us too.

To quote Bob Dylan's 115th Dream, "you're not Him."

[RadioAstronomer]

DittoJed2 ran away it seems.

[Junior]

Naw, not quite. Seminar posters we gladly show the door. Those who cannot defend their position we gladly show the door. You're still around...

[Da_Shrimp]

YOU HAVE CHOSEN TO REJECT THEM

No need to shout.

The points you made don't fit as well as the alternative arguments. That's as far as it goes, really.

[Doctor Stochastic]

Emulating Brave Sir Robin.

[Aric2000]

THAT IS A GREAT link.

He has all kinds of fascinating articles on that website, it's going to take me 2 hours just to read it all.

And read it all I shall, it's GREAT stuff!!

[RadioAstronomer]

It is their wish

It certainly was not mine.

[Aric2000]

Yep, and then claims that we have closed minds.

LOL, what a bizarre conversation this has been.

[jayef]

Eject. Eject. Eject.

[Godzilla]

Great, and internet site cited as authortative. Follow the article further and you'll find the following quote -

"He believed that Jesus of Nazareth was an Aryan, not a Jew, and that Jesus fought the Jews and was killed by them."

Either you or your source doesn't understand the definition of a Christian.

[AndrewC]

Those who cannot defend their position we gladly show the door.

2500+ posts, with numerous people jumping on the lady. Fine record "you"(collective) have. It started out with the "medved" charge. I have saved this thread. It is an object lesson in belittling, the epitome.

[Right Wing Professor]

They silence, by ridicule, those who would challenge their viewpoints.

I find this interesting. Does AndrewC agree with the tactics of smearing evolution with Nazi-ism? Does he think it's illegitimate for evolutionists to respond to such arguments?