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New Dinosaur Species Found in India
AP ^ | August 13, 2003 | RAMOLA TALWAR BADAM

Posted on 08/13/2003 9:02:05 PM PDT by nwrep

New Dinosaur Species Found in India
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By RAMOLA TALWAR BADAM, Associated Press Writer

BOMBAY, India - U.S. and Indian scientists said Wednesday they have discovered a new carnivorous dinosaur species in India after finding bones in the western part of the country.

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The new dinosaur species was named Rajasaurus narmadensis, or "Regal reptile from the Narmada," after the Narmada River region where the bones were found.

The dinosaurs were between 25-30 feet long, had a horn above their skulls, were relatively heavy and walked on two legs, scientists said. They preyed on long-necked herbivorous dinosaurs on the Indian subcontinent during the Cretaceous Period at the end of the dinosaur age, 65 million years ago.

"It's fabulous to be able to see this dinosaur which lived as the age of dinosaurs came to a close," said Paul Sereno, a paleontologist at the University of Chicago. "It was a significant predator that was related to species on continental Africa, Madagascar and South America."

Working with Indian scientists, Sereno and paleontologist Jeff Wilson of the University of Michigan reconstructed the dinosaur skull in a project funded partly by the National Geographic (news - web sites) Society.

A model of the assembled skull was presented Wednesday by the American scientists to their counterparts from Punjab University in northern India and the Geological Survey of India during a Bombay news conference.

Scientists said they hope the discovery will help explain the extinction of the dinosaurs and the shifting of the continents — how India separated from Africa, Madagascar, Australia and Antarctica and collided with Asia.

The dinosaur bones were discovered during the past 18 years by Indian scientists Suresh Srivastava of the Geological Survey of India and Ashok Sahni, a paleontologist at Punjab University.

When the bones were examined, "we realized we had a partial skeleton of an undiscovered species," Sereno said.

The scientists said they believe the Rajasaurus roamed the Southern Hemisphere land masses of present-day Madagascar, Africa and South America.

"People don't realize dinosaurs are the only large-bodied animal that lived, evolved and died at a time when all continents were united," Sereno said.

The cause of the dinosaurs' extinction is still debated by scientists. The Rajasaurus discovery may provide crucial clues, Sereno said.

India has seen quite a few paleontological discoveries recently.

In 1997, villagers discovered about 300 fossilized dinosaur eggs in Pisdura, 440 miles northeast of Bombay, that Indian scientists said were laid by four-legged, long-necked vegetarian creatures.

Indian scientists said the dinosaur embryos in the eggs may have suffocated during volcanic eruptions.


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KEYWORDS: acanthostega; antarctica; australia; catastrophism; crevolist; dino; dinosaurs; godsgravesglyphs; ichthyostega; india; madagascar; narmadabasin; narmadensis; paleontology; rajasaurus; rino
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To: Right Wing Professor
Real in what sense?

In all of them.

1,021 posted on 08/18/2003 4:17:14 PM PDT by AndrewC
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To: DittoJed2
Here's a hint if my previous post is cryptic. Gravitational fields amount to negative mass/energy.
1,022 posted on 08/18/2003 4:19:02 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: VadeRetro; DittoJed2
Poster-boy example for a "How Not To Spin the Casimir Effect" education campaign.

Do you have nothing more than belittling in your descriptions? I thought you in good faith agreed not to do this sort of thing.

1,023 posted on 08/18/2003 4:21:08 PM PDT by AndrewC
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To: DittoJed2
When you approach your evidence, do you make assumptions or is there a blank slate? (such as, do you approach fossils in layers and assume a certain age? )

No, since in astronomy, there is something called the distance scale. It is a series of experiments and observations that use a variety of astronomical phoenomenon to build a reliable set of distances from sources as close as the nearest star to distant quasars and galaxies.

The Key Project of the Hubble Space Telescope was to minimise the amount of error in the distance scale and to use those measurements to determine the Hubble Constant to a good deal of precision.

The distance scale starts off with a fairly straightforward trigonometric relation called the Parallax Distances using parallax are rock solid. However, they aren't good to very far, only about 10,000 light years. However, given a constant speed of light, that age of the universe already gives contemporary creationist theory fits.

Next on the distance scale utilizes statistics, and basic observations of a large amount of stars to come up with a constant diagram (called the Hertzsprung-Russell Diagram) which shows that stars of a certain color and brightness tend to lay along a certain region of it. Give the spectrum of a star and its brightness in the sky, you can find the distance of it to about 20%.

From there, you can hook up with Cepheid variables. These variable stars have a period dependent on the mass of the star. Mass depends on absolute luminosity of the star, and from there you can determine a distance. This measurement to several nearby galaxies was the first relationship that the Hubble Key Project used to find the distances to several nearby galaxies.

To check their distances, they used a number of other distance measurements such as the Thully-Fisher relationship, Type-1a Supernovae, and other, more esoteric methods.

So you see, the concept of things at large distances (and because of the speed limit of light, large ages) is something that is not built on by a whim, but is an interconnected set of concepts and evidence. You can't just knock one down and expect it to fall like a house of cards. It is here to stay.

1,024 posted on 08/18/2003 4:21:23 PM PDT by ThinkPlease (Fortune Favors the Bold!)
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To: AndrewC
Do you have nothing more than belittling in your descriptions?

This is ridiculous! When a guy misses, you can tell him he missed. If you can't say that, you can't say anything.

1,025 posted on 08/18/2003 4:23:47 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: DittoJed2
Oh, well! Back on topic:

When you cancel the mass/energy of the universe with the gravity of the universe, you get a sum very close to zero. Hawking calls it the biggest free lunch ever.

1,026 posted on 08/18/2003 4:25:55 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: DittoJed2; Physicist
Uh.. wait: You use those plates to measure the effect.
However, you cannot say that those fluctuations are caused in any meaningful way.
1,027 posted on 08/18/2003 4:26:20 PM PDT by BMCDA
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To: AndrewC
Can you see it, hear it, touch it, feel it? My keyboard is real in all those senses.
1,028 posted on 08/18/2003 4:32:43 PM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: VadeRetro
If you can't say that, you can't say anything.

Choose different words.

1,029 posted on 08/18/2003 4:33:36 PM PDT by AndrewC
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To: AndrewC
Join the agreement.
1,030 posted on 08/18/2003 4:34:30 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: Right Wing Professor
Can you see it, hear it, touch it, feel it?

Every one of those.

1,031 posted on 08/18/2003 4:34:47 PM PDT by AndrewC
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To: VadeRetro; Sabertooth
Join the agreement.

Why such a preoccupation with me joining the agreement? You do not seem so interested in having Sabertooth join the agreement.

1,032 posted on 08/18/2003 4:37:23 PM PDT by AndrewC (Come into my parlor said the spider to the fly)
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To: DittoJed2
Over the past several centuries, including some recent, there have been spottings by reputable sources of animals resembling pterodactyls, plesiosaurs, and other dinosaur like creatures. One of these places where the most spottings occur has been in the swamp land of Africa. Some in New Zealand, some in Venezuela. There is a very convincing case to show that not only have they existed throughout time (they weren't called dinosaurs in ancient literature as the word wasn't even invented until 1841) but they exist today.

The discovery of any one of these would be very, very cool. However, you do realize of course that the Theory of Evolution concerns itself with when species split off from one another - it doesn't care how long a species will last before it becomes extinct?

You don't think that finding a small population of living dodo birds or carrier pigeons or Tasmanian wolves would invalidate theories of how they came about in the first place, do you?

1,033 posted on 08/18/2003 4:38:13 PM PDT by jennyp (http://crevo.bestmessageboard.com)
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To: ThinkPlease
The distance scale starts off with a fairly straightforward trigonometric relation called the Parallax Distances using parallax are rock solid. However, they aren't good to very far, only about 10,000 light years. However, given a constant speed of light, that age of the universe already gives contemporary creationist theory fits.
There is your ASSUMPTION. You have assumed a constant speed of light. You also appear to be saying speed=distance. In the laboratory, they have been able to speed up and slow down light speed. Even stop it. There is also some evidence that the speed of light is in fact slowing and it has been measured to have slowed down over time. Light year is a speed, not a distance.
1,034 posted on 08/18/2003 4:39:28 PM PDT by DittoJed2
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To: Right Wing Professor
As I get older, time seems to go faster.

I guess as I get older, a minute becomes less compared to the amounts of minutes in my life.

It seems like yesterday that my Eldest daughter was born, and she is 7, and for god's sake, Christmas is about to hit me upside the head.

Time flies, and it's about to go supersonic, or so it feels.
1,035 posted on 08/18/2003 4:40:12 PM PDT by Aric2000 (If the history of science shows us anything, it is that we get nowhere by labeling our ignorance god)
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To: AndrewC
Sabertooth didn't sign, but then he isn't hypocritically nitpicking every *evo* post, or even every creo post, or even every signatory post.
1,036 posted on 08/18/2003 4:40:40 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: VadeRetro
Gravitational fields amount to negative mass/energy.

Your link gives me pause. Suppose you have 2 masses A and B separated by some distance R1. Is there a non-zero gravitational field between them?

1,037 posted on 08/18/2003 4:41:55 PM PDT by AndrewC
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To: Piltdown_Woman
"Just curious, but what would you say about Christians who are of the opinion that God chose evolution as the mechanism for the existence of life?"

They're in far worse shape than the Evo-atheists.

1,038 posted on 08/18/2003 4:42:32 PM PDT by editor-surveyor ( . Best policy RE: Environmentalists, - ZERO TOLERANCE !!)
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To: VadeRetro
Sabertooth didn't sign, but then he isn't hypocritically nitpicking every *evo* post, or even every creo post, or even every signatory post.

I thought motive guessing was also prohibited by the agreement.

1,039 posted on 08/18/2003 4:43:06 PM PDT by AndrewC
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To: AndrewC
Yes.
1,040 posted on 08/18/2003 4:43:07 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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