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To: ThinkPlease
The distance scale starts off with a fairly straightforward trigonometric relation called the Parallax Distances using parallax are rock solid. However, they aren't good to very far, only about 10,000 light years. However, given a constant speed of light, that age of the universe already gives contemporary creationist theory fits.
There is your ASSUMPTION. You have assumed a constant speed of light. You also appear to be saying speed=distance. In the laboratory, they have been able to speed up and slow down light speed. Even stop it. There is also some evidence that the speed of light is in fact slowing and it has been measured to have slowed down over time. Light year is a speed, not a distance.
1,034 posted on 08/18/2003 4:39:28 PM PDT by DittoJed2
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To: DittoJed2
You have assumed a constant speed of light. You also appear to be saying speed=distance.

Uhh, yes, he did, The speed of light is constant in a vacuum, in other words in space the speed of light is a constant. Therefore to use it as a measure of distance is indeed not only practicle, but necessary. I sure wouldn;t want to say the distance to Alpha Centauri is 20 trillion, some odd billion, some odd million, some odd thousand, some odd hundreds of miles away. Does not go fleeting off the tongue if you know what I mean.

In the laboratory, they have been able to speed up and slow down light speed. Even stop it.

Yes, VERY cool experiments, we may even get lightspeed computers out of it, or possibly Infiniband. Very cool technology, but has NOTHING to do with the speed of light in the vacuum of space.

There is also some evidence that the speed of light is in fact slowing and it has been measured to have slowed down over time. Light year is a speed, not a distance.

The evidence is wrong, it has been well refuted and set aside by science LONG ago. The speed of light is constant, and remains constant.

If the speed of light actually changed at all over this period, I assure you, you would have noticed, PHYSICALLY noticed.
1,045 posted on 08/18/2003 4:47:53 PM PDT by Aric2000 (If the history of science shows us anything, it is that we get nowhere by labeling our ignorance god)
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Light year is a speed, not a distance.

No.

1,047 posted on 08/18/2003 4:49:43 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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In the laboratory, they have been able to speed up and slow down light speed.

When? Where?

1,059 posted on 08/18/2003 5:18:58 PM PDT by BMCDA
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To: DittoJed2
There is your ASSUMPTION. You have assumed a constant speed of light. You also appear to be saying speed=distance. In the laboratory, they have been able to speed up and slow down light speed. Even stop it. There is also some evidence that the speed of light is in fact slowing and it has been measured to have slowed down over time. Light year is a speed, not a distance.

Sorry for the delay, out mowing the lawn.

You seem to harbor some misunderstandings about astronomy. I have assumed a constant speed of light, because it works. If you change the speed of light, physics changes. The most fundamental equations in physics are based on the speed of light, and if that changes, strange effects would be observable, such as the visible spectra of stars and galaxies would be unrecognizably different (unlike the recognizably different effects you get from redshifts), as well as other effects. Remember, a certain type of star in another galaxy looks exactly the same in every observable catagory measurable is the same type of star in our galaxy. This means that the physical laws that exist in that part of space is the same as the physical laws in our part of space.

I'm not saying speed=distance. What I'm saying, since the speed of light is constant, is that for every light year a photon travels, we are looking back one year in time. That means if a star is 3.16 light years distant, we are seeing photons 3.16 years from when they were emitted.

Remeber, that laboratory experiments concerning the speed of light take place in a special medium, which is not the same medium as that which exists in space. If that medium were to exist in space, it would have to exist in a finite sphere, only around our sun and no other (I'll leave that thought experiment to the reader), and not exist around any other star. Why would you think that physical phoenomenon would take place like that?

There is also some evidence that the speed of light is in fact slowing and it has been measured to have slowed down over time.

I'm assuming you are referring to Setterfield's work on C-decay. It doesn't work, for the reasons I explain above. It's impressive, though, the contortions he tries to go through to get it TO work, however unphysical they might be.

1,071 posted on 08/18/2003 5:44:32 PM PDT by ThinkPlease (Fortune Favors the Bold!)
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