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Anglican church leader to summon bishops
AP | 8/08/03

Posted on 08/08/2003 4:51:55 AM PDT by kattracks

LONDON (AP) — The archbishop of Canterbury said Friday he would summon leaders of the world's Anglican churches to consider the impact of the confirmation of a gay bishop in the United States.

Archbishop Rowan Williams said the meeting was planned for London in October, and invitations would be sent this week.

"I am clear that the anxieties caused by recent developments have reached the point where we will need to sit down and discuss their consequences," Williams said.

The U.S. church this week confirmed the election of the Rev. V. Gene Robinson, a gay clergyman, as bishop of New Hampshire.

The move provoked outrage in parts of the Anglican communion, particularly in the doctrinally conservative African churches.

"I hope that in our deliberations we will find that there are ways forward in this situation which can preserve our respect for one another and for the bonds that unite us," Williams said in a statement issued by his office.

"I hope we can use the time between now and then to reflect, to pray, to consult and to take counsel," the archbishop added



TOPICS: Breaking News; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: anglican; churchofengland; episcopal; fallout; generobinson; homosexual; homosexualagenda; homosexualbishop; queer; rowanwilliams; uk; unity
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To: Fifth Business
Fortunately for her, she will not be buried in the church's graveyard.

41 posted on 08/08/2003 7:48:46 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (I think the Americans are serious. Bush is not like Clinton. I think this is the end," said Uday)
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To: Fifth Business
"The national news services should give this wide publicity."

I wouldn't be holding my breath, unless, of course, Satan deems it to be of some advantage to himself. That is, after all, who is the author of the gospel of perversion and its domination of our public, political and now, spiritual life nationally, and even internationally. I won't be in church on Sunday.

42 posted on 08/08/2003 7:50:20 AM PDT by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: justanotherfreeper
"Why are the homosexuals so obsessed with taking over churches?"

It's quite simple really.....so that the transition of America to the new Sodom will be complete. The Gospel is the only thing standing in the way of the rise of socialist totalitarianism on every front. Satan is about making God the enemy. He is having a pretty easy time of it in the secular world due to his devoted army of enablers, the liberals/socialists/democRATs, but he is having to work a little harder to make God the enemy of the church.

You can be assured he has gained a lot of ground with this decision though. There are a lot of weak-minded people who depend on the church to tell them what to believe instead of seeking God in the scriptures for thenselves. Many of them will be lulled into believing that God must think it's okay if the church says so. There are others who will leave the church altogether, not just the Episcopal, but any church, because, like children, their faith is not yet strong enough to cope with an inconsistency of this magnitude. There will be a schism in the church itself, so there will be few "real" Christians left to call the church to repentance. And there will many "evangelized" into the church in its "new" form, who, being naive and not trained in the scriptures, will begin their "Christian" life on false premises.

Robinson himself said he refuses to accept the burden of responsibility for any split in the church which results from his confirmation as bishop. I suspect though, that not only will God hold him, as well as the facilitating church leaders, responsible for a split in the church, but for these others resulting issues as well.

"He said to His disciples, "It is inevitable that stumbling blocks come, but woe to him through whom they come! (Luke 17:1)

43 posted on 08/08/2003 8:11:35 AM PDT by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: kattracks
The Episcopal Church is dead...

Quit poking it with a stick and leave it to RIP
44 posted on 08/08/2003 8:13:11 AM PDT by mmartins
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To: justanotherfreeper
Why are the homosexuals so obsessed with taking over churches?

To be honest, I think they believe it's their last hurdle.

45 posted on 08/08/2003 8:15:40 AM PDT by CurlyBill (Voter fraud is one of the primary campaign strategies of the Democrats!!!!)
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To: hellinahandcart
We have something in common here!
46 posted on 08/08/2003 8:16:39 AM PDT by Redleg Duke (Stir the pot...don't let anything settle to the bottom where the lawyers can feed off of it!)
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To: kattracks
"I hope that in our deliberations we will find that there are ways forward in this situation which can preserve our respect for one another and for the bonds that unite us," Williams said

Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers:
for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness?
and what communion hath light with darkness?
II Corinthians 6:14


47 posted on 08/08/2003 8:17:19 AM PDT by ppaul
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To: N. Theknow
Already happening before the convention decided that God made a good mascot. Yep. Sad.... I think we could see a sea change among the three (Catholic, Episcopal and Lutheran) here in the coming years. The landscape will certainly change.
48 posted on 08/08/2003 8:17:50 AM PDT by CurlyBill (Voter fraud is one of the primary campaign strategies of the Democrats!!!!)
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To: CurlyBill
I am a Lutheran (ELCA) and am looking seriously at the Missouri Synod. I fear the ELCA will be the next target of the queers.
49 posted on 08/08/2003 8:18:06 AM PDT by Redleg Duke (Stir the pot...don't let anything settle to the bottom where the lawyers can feed off of it!)
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To: Grampa Dave
Thanks for the link. I think that we Episcopalian FReepers will be doing some deeper bonding in the months that follow. I am thankful that we have a healthy place to share and work through what we are facing.
"Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is He that is in you, than he that is in the world." (1 John 4:4)

50 posted on 08/08/2003 8:19:07 AM PDT by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: *Homosexual Agenda; scripter; EdReform; AnnaZ; P-Marlowe; RaceBannon; yendu bwam; JMJ333; ...
ping.
51 posted on 08/08/2003 8:19:28 AM PDT by ppaul
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To: kattracks; Dataman; rhema
"I hope we can use the time between now and then to reflect, to pray, to consult and to take counsel," the archbishop added

Right.

Anything but crack open a Bible, read, reflect, and obey.

That would be cheating.

Dan
What Is Biblical Christianity?

52 posted on 08/08/2003 8:19:32 AM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: justanotherfreeper
There are many Christian Roman Catholics, Lutherans and Episcopalians who are or will be feeling abandoned by their churches.

The queers are going after the principal bastion against their immoral lifestyle. And in the process, they are going after the real estate and wealth associated with these targets.

Queers are focused on the here and now, not on eternity. They love a hedonistic lifestyle and need to acquire wealth in order to afford it. They also need to destroy all who do not agree with them. In that way, they are like liberals.

53 posted on 08/08/2003 8:23:21 AM PDT by Redleg Duke (Stir the pot...don't let anything settle to the bottom where the lawyers can feed off of it!)
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To: sweetliberty
I just sent that link out to every Epicopalian on my email list with no comments. Then I followed up with how the Bishops voted, including our N. Kali Bishop. I'm sure that by Sunday's services a lot of E's will have received that email, the link and the voting record of each Bishop. I recommend that every E do the same with their fellow E's.

As usual Free Republic remains the number one spot for my news and search for reality and knowledge.

We may have to from an E club here to help sort out the issues.
54 posted on 08/08/2003 8:32:14 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (I think the Americans are serious. Bush is not like Clinton. I think this is the end," said Uday)
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To: sweetliberty; Grampa Dave; hellinahandcart; All
Guys, we need to get some sort of organized Freeper response to all this mess.

My research has revealed that there are at least 5 major Episcopal breakaway groups out there -- Reformed Episcopal, Anglican in America, the Rwanda diocese, etc. etc. Forward in Faith, pointed out on this thread, has as its N.American secretary the rector of the most conservative congregation in Atlanta (Our Saviour/Virginia-Highlands) . . . and I was not previously aware of this group's existence.

We need to have a clearinghouse thread where all shocked and horrified Episcopalians can go to get some direction for the weeks and months ahead. There are too many little splinter groups that have left in the past (and more will no doubt be leaving as of this Sunday!) for a single person to keep track of them all.

If we could just get everything organized and have a place to share knowledge about this crisis, we wouldn't have to stop wailing and gnashing our teeth, but at least we would have something constructive to DO.

How do we go about this, y'all?

55 posted on 08/08/2003 8:34:51 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . there is nothing new under the sun.)
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To: Grampa Dave
"I think that you will find that the Methodist Church was infected by the mass liberalism and then homosexual pastors first and on a larger scale than in the Episcopal Churches."

I believe you are right. There was a time when I was living in Colorado and Bishop William Frey, a spirit-filled man of God, was our bishop, that I held out hope for our resistance of the abomination of homosexuality becoming prevalent in our church. I saw homosexuals called to repentance and saw the outright rejection of those who sought the priesthood, or even the deaconate, at least if they wished to find support in the local parishes. Like you, I saw the growing trend, and while for a time I held out hope, I knew it was really not a matter of "if" but "when." I said back then that if/when that time came I could no longer in clear conscience associate myself with the church that has always nurtured my spiritual life, but it makes the reality no less painful. In a way, it is like being disowned or betrayed by a parent. This is a time when brothers and sisters who find ourselves in the same boat need to find strength in each other.

56 posted on 08/08/2003 8:34:52 AM PDT by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: Grampa Dave
"We may have to from an E club here to help sort out the issues."

That is my feeling as well. This isn't going to go away with a shift in the news cycle.

57 posted on 08/08/2003 8:36:48 AM PDT by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: Grampa Dave
Exactly what I said! (you're a smart grampa! << g >> )

I'm pretty inept when it comes to web stuff. Do you know how to set it up? I'm a good researcher and I have a lot of contacts in the Episcopal community.

If we can't get this straightened out within the church to preserve a single body of the faithful who oppose this decision, I'm afraid the Episcopal church in America is doomed. We'll be bleeding in two directions - to the evangelicals and to Rome. Dissipating to 8 or 10 little splinter groups will be the death of the church.

58 posted on 08/08/2003 8:37:28 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . there is nothing new under the sun.)
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To: AnAmericanMother; Grampa Dave; hellinahandcart
Well, Catholic FReepers have their "Catholic Caucus" thread. I see no reason why we couldn't have have a displaced Episcopalian fellowship thread of some sort. I haven't seen a single Episcopalian FReeper defend what is going on in the church, so I take it that we are all seeking our own response to it.
59 posted on 08/08/2003 8:41:04 AM PDT by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: kattracks
Wouldn't it just be a kicker if the CONSERVATIVE Episcopalians in this country left the American group and joined the AFRICAN Episcopal group? I think that would make the libs' heads spin!
60 posted on 08/08/2003 8:43:36 AM PDT by SuziQ
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