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ArnoldGovernor.net (elephantparty.com - temporary) ^ | 8/6/2003 | Jagrmeister

Posted on 08/06/2003 11:31:56 PM PDT by jagrmeister

CALLING ALL Arnold Schwarzenegger Supporters:

I am announcing the creation of ArnoldGovernor.net . I have reserved the domain, but the site is up right now at a temporary URL which can be seen here (www.elephantparty.com). I am a Californian and a conservative - and I can say with certainty that Arnold represents the best chance we have of claiming California's governorship. I am posting this site for your review.

First, the others in the race. Bill Simon and Tom McClintock are both fine men, but they have lost important statewide races in the past. Simon lost a race against Davis last year which should have been a cakewalk given Davis' record. Most political analysts agree that Simon ran one of the worst campaigns in recent memory. McClintock is a virtual unknown statewide (let's not get fooled by our own echo chamber). The KEY to remember is that we have

Only 2 months (8 weeks) until Election Day. There is NO time to run someone who Californians have rejected in the past or a virtual unknown. For those who have leaned towards either of them, I'm appealing to your sense of reason to get behind someone with the best shot of winning. Now, why should we elect Arnold?

Arnold is a fiscal conservative but moderate otherwise. His stance on abortion will matter less than you might think- that's a matter for Supreme Court justices which the California governor has no say about. He is pro-business, pro-entrepreneurship, and tough on crime (witness his Proposition 49 which aims to reduce juvenille crime - a major, largely unaddressed component of crime). He is an "American by choice" and is very patriotic. People look at him and think "It's okay to be a Republican". With Schwarzenegger pulling a Total Recall on Grey Davis, Bush may actually find that California is friendly territory in 2004.

I am looking for pro-Arnold supporters to help:

1. Pitching Arnold's candidacy

2. Graphics design- create compelling visuals that are pro-Arnold or anti-Davis

3. Anyone else that wants to be pinged for pro-Arnold events.

4. Coming up with good one liners, spin, updates, opposition research, etc.

Let's team up! Thanks!!

Once I get your suggestions, I will update the site and in a few days, it will be at ArnoldGovernor.net . Thanks all Freepers for your help.


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: arnold; california; crybabies; davis; elections; grey; juvenile; keysters; recall; schwarzenegger
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To: RJayneJ
If Schwarzenegger becomes such a popular figure as you surmise, that represents a real setback for the cause of the right to life of the unborn, and the effort to protect our Second Amendment rights.

He will be held up by the left of both parties as a shining example of how wonderful pro-abortion gungrabbers are.

Not a good thing. Very bad, in fact.
21 posted on 08/07/2003 2:27:55 AM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: strela
Guess he figures a Hitlerian "Big Lie" will work if repeated often enough.

Godwin's Law Strikes Again!

Do not pass "Go." Do not vote for RINOs.

-Jay

22 posted on 08/07/2003 2:40:25 AM PDT by Jay D. Dyson (Steamroll the RINOs -- Vote for Tom McClintock! -- http://www.tommcclintock.com/)
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To: EternalVigilance
He could not do anything about abortion even if he wanted to because it has been decided by the supreme court and is not a state issue and the same constitution has a Second Amendment that also takes that issue out of a governors hands.
23 posted on 08/07/2003 3:05:03 AM PDT by RJayneJ (To see pictures of Jayne's quilt: http://bulldogbulletin.lhhosting.com/page50.htm)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
I'm telling you Field, things are desperate in California. Those who aren't here don't know. We have ALL Democrats in the statewide offices, we're getting blown out in the Senate and Gubernatiorial races. We needed a Beacon of Hope and Arnold is it. This is our shot and we've got to go with it!
24 posted on 08/07/2003 3:06:41 AM PDT by jagrmeister
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To: RJayneJ
You are naive if you think that his positions on two of the most critical issues of our day are not a reflection of a real philosophical problem with this man, and that they won't impact the national course of those debates.

Or you have fallen into the celebrity cult of personality win-at-any-cost trap.

I know your activities around here enough to believe it is the former.
25 posted on 08/07/2003 3:09:30 AM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: EternalVigilance
>Name ID is likely to be less important than real on-the-ground grassroots organization

Whoever told you this is mistaken. Millions will show up for the recall election and I can tell you that the McClintock's "grassroots organization" - to whatever degree it even exists - cannot reach a fraction of those people. In California, we haven't faced reality in years; we've been sold pipe dream after pipe dream and lost eleciton after election. No more. Arnold will win.
26 posted on 08/07/2003 3:11:35 AM PDT by jagrmeister
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To: jagrmeister
There are enough conservatives in CA to win this election with a conservative candidate if they are united.

Why are you supporting a pro-abortion gungrabber?

Are a freakin leftist or what?
27 posted on 08/07/2003 3:16:29 AM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: jagrmeister
In California, we haven't faced reality in years; we've been sold pipe dream after pipe dream and lost eleciton after election. No more. Arnold will win.

Talk about pipe dreams. Even if you're right, you are still going to be stuck with a leftist governor. Some progress.

28 posted on 08/07/2003 3:20:19 AM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: EternalVigilance
Do you live in California or in the the DC area? Do you know how bad things are in California? Do you pay taxes in California? Are you a two issue person? Sometimes compromise is necessary to get anywhere...imagine if Davis remained Governor or Cruz Bustamonte was elected Governor of California...or Loretta Sanchez, then what? Time to consider who really has a chance to win, Simon sure blew it last time around...and look what happened, Davis tripled the car tax, and wants to give Drivers Licenses to illegals and continue on his merry drunken spending....I have to live here and would rather have someone in the middle of the road than some leftist socialist in the Governors Mansion...yeah Arnold is not as conservative as I would like, but he might just be electable in the state. Did you know there was a previous effort to recall Davis that failed after he deep sixed prop 187? (which is part of the reason the state is in such bad shape as it is now)....

I'll wait to see each candidate put out their ideas and platform before I make a decision....the main thing is that almost anyone will do a better job than Davis...
29 posted on 08/07/2003 3:42:03 AM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: rolling_stone
Do you live in California or in the the DC area?

As I have readily and repeatedly said on all of these threads, I don't live in CA. You will decide who your next governor is. But don't pretend that what you do there doesn't effect the rest of us--it does and it will.

Do you know how bad things are in California?

I'm quite aware of the situation, yes. It is bleak, to say the least.

Do you pay taxes in California?

No, thank God.

Are you a two issue person?

LOL...that's a good one. Normally those of us who stand for the principles we believe in are called 'single-issue', no matter how broad our agenda. But to give you a straight out answer, no.

Sometimes compromise is necessary to get anywhere...

And sometimes it is those very compromises that lead you down a blind canyon.

...imagine if Davis remained Governor or Cruz Bustamonte was elected Governor of California...or Loretta Sanchez, then what?

Then CA remains on the path it is on--the road to ruin.

Time to consider who really has a chance to win...

There is no reason, given the absolute certainty that this is going to be a splintered ballot, that a united conservative movement can't elect a conservative.

...Simon sure blew it last time around...

I agree. He ran a miserable campaign; further hindered by the very RINOs who are now pushing the Arnold bandwagon downhill fast.

...and look what happened, Davis tripled the car tax, and wants to give Drivers Licenses to illegals and continue on his merry drunken spending....

And electing another liberal is going to improve your plight how, exactly?

I have to live here and would rather have someone in the middle of the road than some leftist socialist in the Governors Mansion...

There is no evidence that Schwarzenegger is 'middle-of-the-road'. You've been listening to too much leftwing media propaganda. On the contrary, all of his public statements on key issues lead anyone who is listening to the conclusion that he himself is a leftist socialist. Listen to what he says, not what you want to hear.

...yeah Arnold is not as conservative as I would like, but he might just be electable in the state.

Maybe. But what do you get when you're done. Another liberal in the Governor's mansion. Wow.

I'll wait to see each candidate put out their ideas and platform before I make a decision....

That's wise. But you don't have to wait to find out where McClintock stands. He has made it abundantly clear by his words AND his record that he stands with the conservatives.

...the main thing is that almost anyone will do a better job than Davis...

Now that we can agree on.

Might as well be someone who will have conservative principles from the start.

30 posted on 08/07/2003 4:16:51 AM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: lainde
"I'm tired of losing and I've voted for the conservative in every election for the past 7 years."

How do you think electing a leftist womanizer cross-dressing as a Republican will be a "win" for you ? I'm telling you that it isn't.

31 posted on 08/07/2003 3:41:41 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~Remember, it's not sporting to fire at RINO until charging~)
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To: jagrmeister; BlackElk
"I'm telling you Field, things are desperate in California."

I'm well aware of that. You'd have to be living under a rock not to know that.

"We have ALL Democrats in the statewide offices, we're getting blown out in the Senate and Gubernatiorial races."

I'm well aware of that, too.

"We needed a Beacon of Hope and Arnold is it. This is our shot and we've got to go with it!"

And I'm telling you this is a false prophet. He's leading the GOP onto the rocks with his liberalism. This is no beacon of hope, this is a recipe for disaster. Reagan would be supporting McClintock and you know that. Ah-nold stands for EVERYTHING that Reagan fought against. We spent decades trying to get these liberal RINOs out of the party. Don't you remember what it was like when they ran the show in DC as recently as the mid '60s ? We dwindled to only 1/3rd of the Congress, we were steamrolled by all the great nutty leftist programs we're still paying for today. Ah-nold will only enact the 'Rat agenda while attaching its stigma to the "R" label, just like what Wilson did. We need to fight this, and you need to as well. There is no level of desperation that would make me sell my soul for a worthless letter of the alphabet. "R" means nothing if it has no core principle to it. Stop this insanity !

32 posted on 08/07/2003 3:51:46 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~Remember, it's not sporting to fire at RINO until charging~)
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To: jagrmeister
The pipe dream is what the RINOs sold California. It's a fraud. They offer us nothing and destroy everything they touch. You can help stop this.
33 posted on 08/07/2003 3:53:30 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~Remember, it's not sporting to fire at RINO until charging~)
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To: EternalVigilance
Why is it they don't understand ? What good did it do us in places like New Jersey with Christie Whitman ? All she did was continue failed leftist policies, appoint some of the biggest disgraces to ever wear judicial robes to the high court, and leave the state to a corrupt nitwit who in turn just returned it to the 'Rats. Not one damn bit of difference between leftist RINOs and 'Rats. In fact, I'd say RINOs give us even worse jurists. Earl Warren, anyone ?
34 posted on 08/07/2003 3:56:06 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~Remember, it's not sporting to fire at RINO until charging~)
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To: rolling_stone
"the main thing is that almost anyone will do a better job than Davis..."

That's like saying a rapist is better than a murderer. This statement is the most overused regarding the Governor's race in CA. No, there actually are people worse than Davis. Why are we scraping the bottom of the barrel with slimeball Kennedy liberals like Ah-nold ? McClintock is the only candidate who CAN save California. Ah-nold will keep on with failed Davis liberalism. You guys need to WAKE UP !

35 posted on 08/07/2003 3:59:08 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~Remember, it's not sporting to fire at RINO until charging~)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
So Mclintock says he's just going to "void" the billions of dollars of contracts. Aside from the legal liability that he represents: Real smart move there. Utterly destroy the ability of the state to write contracts with anyone and drive their bond rates through the roof.

Yup, that would pretty much finish the state off. Go for it. I never liked California much anyway.
36 posted on 08/07/2003 4:04:44 PM PDT by Ramius
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To: jagrmeister
Let me bookmark.

I'll support Arnold over some assclown like McClintock. I don't believe in throwing away my vote.

Simon anyone?!?!?
37 posted on 08/07/2003 4:07:09 PM PDT by Tempest
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To: EternalVigilance
In a short race with hundreds of candidates name ID is much more important than in normal elections. The two goals of campaigns are to increase name recognition and get the message across. With two month and a crowded field there's not a lot of time for either, with Arnold's celebrity he's garaunteed a lot of free face time (like bieng on Leno last night) which only makes it easier for him.

IMHO, I'd rather Arnold lose, not that I actually care who's governor in California, but if Arnold wins Conan the King will doubtless be shelved again and I've been jonesing for that movie for a long time.
38 posted on 08/07/2003 4:08:11 PM PDT by discostu (the train that won't stop going, no way to slow down)
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To: onyx
"I'm looking for a US Senator McClintock, or Issa or Simon --- to kick the begeezus out of Boxer."

LOL!!! Oh my! What a truly funny statement!!! McClintock is full of hot air. And in case some people aren't aware. McClintocks claims of rescinding on state contracts with the power companies is full of poo. I'd like to know how intends to get out of those binding contracts!! LOL!!! I'll vote for a sure fire winner and Republican like Arnold, thank you. If some of you don't comprehend that your NEVER going to vote a far right conservative into California's Governership anytime soon. You shouldn't be discussing politics.

39 posted on 08/07/2003 4:12:42 PM PDT by Tempest
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To: jagrmeister
Where can you get one of those "Vote for me if you want to live" bumper stickers? I'll buy a dozen.
40 posted on 08/07/2003 4:14:17 PM PDT by Richard Kimball
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