I never did understand why conservative politicians did not address this point.
Obviously, if you can deliver the baby to kill it, you can deliver the baby!
You wrote:
"And heartbreaking as it is for me to say this, neither does Mr. Santorum care. Nor, for that matter, any other Republican who tries to paint the possible passage of a clearly flawed and ineffectual bill - that will save not one child from this barbaric procedure - as a victory for anyone or anything but their campaign managers, who will no doubt use the blockage or passage of this bill to play upon the ignorance and gullibility of their constituents again during the next election go-round.
Oh, and so will the other side, btw, when they paint Republicans as "extremists" for producing an "anti-choice" bill to begin with, even though it in fact does nothing more than hint to abortionists that they themselves will have to get a little more creative in their "choice" on how to stay on the legal side of an elective PBA. I say if the Republicans are going to get trashed by the Democrats, they might as well get trashed for something real.
Fraud Republic has the utter gall to shut out the truth about S.3 as "propaganda", and then uses a soft-soaped pro-Pubbie spin and the spectre of brutalized unborn babies - none of whom will be rescued by this Potemkin PBA ban being bandied about - to prop up the GOP and S.3 as any way effective about this issue. And to add insult to injury, they "coincidentally" present a "new" (actually old) column about morality being problematic in the pro-life debate just hours after Uncle Bill's original post got pulled and he got booted."
Sorry, Mercuria, but I ain't buying it. You're gonna have to explain to me how this legislation is a sell out and how Mr. Santorum and the rest of the Republicans are putting one over on us. This bill looks like it calls for a jail term for any doctor performing a partial birth abortion.
Your editorial comments notwithstanding, the section you posted is taken out of context. Here is what the section you posted looks like in context
Sec. 1531. Partial-birth abortions prohibited `(a) Any physician who, in or affecting interstate or foreign commerce, knowingly performs a partial-birth abortion and thereby kills a human fetus shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both. This subsection does not apply to a partial-birth abortion that is necessary to save the life of a mother whose life is endangered by a physical disorder, physical illness, or physical injury, including a life-endangering physical condition caused by or arising from the pregnancy itself. This subsection takes effect 1 day after the date of enactment of this chapter.
`(b) As used in this section--
`(1) the term `partial-birth abortion' means an abortion in which--
`(A) the person performing the abortion deliberately and intentionally vaginally delivers a living fetus until, in the case of a head- first presentation, the entire fetal head is outside the body of the mother, or, in the case of breech presentation, any part of the fetal trunk past the navel is outside the body of the mother for the purpose of performing an overt act that the person knows will kill the partially delivered living fetus;
You, Uncle Bill, are a damnable liar and should be banished from this site. Shame on you! The Senate bill says the opposite of what you claim it says.
WELL DUH! Either way, when this bill is signed it will be quickly laughed out of court, shot down and rightfully so. All of it is based on propaganda and is bad medicine. Doctors should be able to make the best decision for each individual patient, government should stay out of the business of playing doctor just because the procedure goes against their personal religious beliefs.
The fact of the matter is that this article came from the website of a rival presidential candidate and that it deliberately distorts the content of the bill. Further more, the "dozen" happen to be a dirty dozen and are known anti-Republican agitators--the sort who are STILL proud they voted for Ross Perot. They, like the Greens and a million other hopeless microparties, won't be happy with anyone who refuses to ram their idea of utopia down our throats. It is likely on this basis that Uncle Bill, the poster of this article, has been banned.
I therefore propose that this thread be treated with the same level of contempt and request an immediate ZOT. Further more, Uncle Bill should be flayed by the Viking Kittens and the floor should left open for further mockery.
JMHO, o' course! :p
1. The bill was written the way it was to fit the Supreme Court's torturous Nebraska ruling that forced lawmakers to write the law in a very defined way to avoid it getting declared unconstitutional. My understanding is that it took the pro-life groups months just to find the right language to make sure the PBA Ban wouldn't be declared unconstitutional.
2. The foolish Roe affirmation was an amendment attached by liberals in the Senate. If this guy wants to find out who affirms Roe and who doesn't, he ought to try looking at the vote on the amendment itself.
Once the amendment had been attached, it would have been the height of folly to kill the entire bill because of one amendment that has no legal teeth at all.
This man is uninformed.
And these are the "pro-life" Republican Senators we have been donating money, time, and shoeleather to help elect for the last 30 years? Betrayal is too mild a word. Treacherous lying dogs is a more appropriate description. For thirty years we believed the Republican Senate was primarily pro-life, now we have their own words telling us plainly that they supported Roe all along. Traitors! Liars! Cowards! Their word is no better than that of Stalin or Hitler. Traitors should be stood up against a wall and shot, but these traitors will no doubt be re-elected by the same good, pro-life people they betrayed.
I am through with the entire lot, Republican and Democrats. They're all one and the same, lying traitors to their country and to the people who voted for them. When you have spent the last 45 years supporting and voting for Republicans and then you get traitorous liars like this, why even bother to vote?
God help this country when 50% of the country supports killing innocent babies, support gay marriage, divorce and rip apart their families, use drugs and medicate their children to keep them still in school, allow illegal imigration to flood the nation with open borders, allow the courts to remove God and morals completely from the public.........I have little hope of things becomming better before they become far worse in this sinful society.
I'd much rather see all abortion outlawed (except in cases where the life of the mother is medically at stake), but I'm still happy that at least this much has been accomplished. And we all know there's more in the works.