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To: Mercuria
Mercuria:

You wrote:

"And heartbreaking as it is for me to say this, neither does Mr. Santorum care. Nor, for that matter, any other Republican who tries to paint the possible passage of a clearly flawed and ineffectual bill - that will save not one child from this barbaric procedure - as a victory for anyone or anything but their campaign managers, who will no doubt use the blockage or passage of this bill to play upon the ignorance and gullibility of their constituents again during the next election go-round.

Oh, and so will the other side, btw, when they paint Republicans as "extremists" for producing an "anti-choice" bill to begin with, even though it in fact does nothing more than hint to abortionists that they themselves will have to get a little more creative in their "choice" on how to stay on the legal side of an elective PBA. I say if the Republicans are going to get trashed by the Democrats, they might as well get trashed for something real.

Fraud Republic has the utter gall to shut out the truth about S.3 as "propaganda", and then uses a soft-soaped pro-Pubbie spin and the spectre of brutalized unborn babies - none of whom will be rescued by this Potemkin PBA ban being bandied about - to prop up the GOP and S.3 as any way effective about this issue. And to add insult to injury, they "coincidentally" present a "new" (actually old) column about morality being problematic in the pro-life debate just hours after Uncle Bill's original post got pulled and he got booted."

Sorry, Mercuria, but I ain't buying it. You're gonna have to explain to me how this legislation is a sell out and how Mr. Santorum and the rest of the Republicans are putting one over on us. This bill looks like it calls for a jail term for any doctor performing a partial birth abortion.

34 posted on 08/05/2003 2:13:20 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Conservative by nature... Republican by spirit... Patriot by heart... AND... ANTI-Liberal by GOD!)
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To: Mercuria; JohnHuang2; kattracks; jwalsh07; billbears; MissAmericanPie; Free_at_last_-2001; ...
What do y'all think? Is Mercuria right about this? Is Mr. Santorum putting one over on us? Have we been betrayed by the Republicans? Looks to me like this bill says any doctor that uses the so-called partial birth abortion procedure to kill a baby gets fined or goes to jail.
35 posted on 08/05/2003 2:43:42 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Conservative by nature... Republican by spirit... Patriot by heart... AND... ANTI-Liberal by GOD!)
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To: Jim Robinson
The language about the procedure, while questionable, is still no different from the House version. It seeks to ban Partial Birth Abortion, not eliminate late term abortion alltogether. I wish we could do that - maybe next session.

The thing that feels like a betrayal is Section 4, the re-affirmation of Roe v. Wade. Having so many Republicans vote for something that says that killing babies is an "important constitutional right" feels like a cold knife in the back to every pro-life Republican.

That being said, I'm sure section 4 will be dropped in committee and won't be in the final version signed by the President. It was just politics - a way to get the thing through the Senate and past the obstructionist Dems.

The net effect is that, once signed, the grisly Partial Birth Abortion procedure will be outlawed in America. A victory, to be sure. But why do I still feel betrayed by this bill?

65 posted on 08/05/2003 6:13:05 AM PDT by Spiff (Have you committed one random act of thoughtcrime today?)
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To: Jim Robinson
Please see my post #100. The author is mis-informed.
102 posted on 08/05/2003 8:20:34 AM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: Jim Robinson
funny but it reads the same to me too....

Bush deserves bashing when he does wrong. This wasn't wrong. Must be coming up on election time....
616 posted on 08/06/2003 12:43:32 AM PDT by Robert_Paulson2 (They promised us smaller government, are we there yet?)
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