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Justice League turns lefty?
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Posted on 07/31/2003 7:08:07 AM PDT by TheBigB
Okay, for any who have seen my opinions in the past, you know that I'm an avid comic book collector. For a few years now, my favorite title has been Justice League, or JLA for short. The newest issue, #83, came out yesterday. It was, without a doubt, the most unvarnished left-wing piece of Bush-bashing propaganda I've ever seen. The baisc set-up is this (*WARNING*--SPOILERS)...President Luthor (yes, in the DC Universe, Lex Luthor is President of the United States) has decided that the nation of "Qurac" has acquired or constructed Weapons of Mass Distruction, and has decided that he must attack before they can be used (how coincidental). The Leaguers (really, only Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman in this issue) are unconvinced. Batman (badly mischaracterized by writer Joe Kelly) states that to attack a sovereign country without UN authorization would violate international law. Luthor attacks his (and WW's) statements as "unpatriotic." Batman even punches out a police officer in broad daylight who was keeping a group of war protesters from boarding a train...the policeman said there was a fire on the tracks. Batman doesn't believe him. Superman says he checked and it was true...there was a fire. Batman says, "I know." That's it. 'Nother words, he punches out the officer because he wanted to. There's more barely-disguised Bush-bashing until the end when...this is true...it all turns out to be a dream of Superman's. Yes, a dream. This issue had no story, no continuity, no connection to anything else in the entire DC Universe. It was, purely and simply, agit-prop Socialist propaganda. And apparently, the entire thing didn't go over very well. If you check the JLA message board at the official DC site, you'll see plenty of readers, both cons and libs, who were outraged by the over-the-top sermonizing:
http://dcboards.warnerbros.com/web/messages.jsp?topic=35291731&board=jla
Please check it out and feel free to comment (IF you've read the issue). And there is a place to send messages to DC, which is conveniently down. I think they're getting lots of feedback they didn't expect.
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To: Howlin; Ed_NYC; MonroeDNA; widgysoft; Springman; Timesink; dubyaismypresident; Grani; coug97; ...
I know some comic authors & artists are more preachy than others, but this is simply ridiculous.Just damn.
If you want on the new list, FReepmail me. This IS a high-volume PING list...
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posted on
07/31/2003 8:57:56 AM PDT
by
mhking
To: Howlin; Ed_NYC; MonroeDNA; widgysoft; Springman; Timesink; dubyaismypresident; Grani; coug97; ...
I know some comic authors & artists are more preachy than others, but this is simply ridiculous.Just damn.
If you want on the new list, FReepmail me. This IS a high-volume PING list...
PS: Yes, the first issue of the loooooong-awaited JLA/Avengers is set for a September release, and yes, George Perez is drawing it! (yeah! woohoo!)
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posted on
07/31/2003 8:59:01 AM PDT
by
mhking
To: mhking
Can't wait to pick that one up!
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posted on
07/31/2003 9:00:52 AM PDT
by
TheBigB
(RIP Bob Hope. Entertainer. Patriot. British by Birth, American by Providence.)
To: TheBigB; Xenalyte; Sir Gawain
Don't blame me I voted for the legion of doom canidate.
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posted on
07/31/2003 9:20:08 AM PDT
by
weikel
(YVAN EHT NIOJ)
To: TheBigB
the nation of "Qurac" has acquired or constructed Weapons of Mass Distruction This may be considered a practical example to outline some of the academic studies of moral philosophy, or ethics. By one of Kant's systems, for example, the misrepresentation of the true facts for the purpose of gaining a person's confidence in a contract automatically releases that person from responsibility in the contract since he could not in principle have acted deliberately in a reasonable way in the contract. WMD was not the reason troops were sent to Iraq, so presence or absence of WMD in Iraq could not be taken as evidence of deceit to gain the cooperation of the volunteer army. If WMD were the reason given, and WMD were found to be a deceitful scam, then the people participating in the invasion would be released from all responsibility for the subsequent events in Iraq due to the invasion itself.
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posted on
07/31/2003 9:27:55 AM PDT
by
RightWhale
(Destroy the dark; restore the light)
To: LanPB01
Did you read the threads the posts were replying to? Subtle sarcasm must be lost on you, so I'll use it more explicitly now: (/sarcasm)
Geez, like I said, get a grip.
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posted on
07/31/2003 9:49:47 AM PDT
by
Hank Rearden
(Dick Gephardt. Before he dicks you.)
To: Hank Rearden
Are you making a pass at me? I'm sorry, Sir, but I don't go that way. I suggest you contact one of the Village People. I can't speak for anyone else on this thread, but this is one comic book collector that's purely hetero.
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posted on
07/31/2003 9:54:03 AM PDT
by
LanPB01
To: All
What the comics had and have lost are good stories. They have young, liberal, 20-something pups writing the comics now, and, no offense, that age bracket has Shiite for brains. They are incapable of creating suspense, developing characters, and serving up the juicy conflict that makes us want to turn the page.
And really, the Joker gets away yet again? He'll kill a few people, and everyone of those deaths will be on Batman's head. If Batman would just kill the Joker, there'd be a heck of a lot less future victims.
Hey, Future Victims, sounds like Jesse Jackson's view of the black birth rate. :->
Scourge
To: GodBlessRonaldReagan
I grew up reading my brother's Batman comic books (whenever there was a Batgirl story) and the JLA comics with Wonder Woman. I haven't seen a good comic book in years, though, and swore off superhero cartoons with the wimpy He-Man crap. I got tired of babysitting kids and hearing every darn episode end up with the moral of the story being a PC "Be Nice".
I've got three little girls and I just wish there was a good Right Wing Heroine (a cartoon crimefighting Ann Coulter, maybe?) that they could mix in with their diet of Bugs Bunny stuff.
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posted on
07/31/2003 10:17:10 AM PDT
by
Wondervixen
(Ask for her by name--Accept no substitutes!)
To: GodBlessRonaldReagan
The closest thing, I suppose is the "Kim Possible" cartoons.
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posted on
07/31/2003 10:21:32 AM PDT
by
Wondervixen
(Ask for her by name--Accept no substitutes!)
To: Scourge of God
Since when were comics anything but New Deal morality plays???????
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posted on
07/31/2003 10:26:52 AM PDT
by
Destro
(Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorisim by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
To: TheBigB
The comics were born in the era of the New Deal and are and have always been New Deal morality plays.
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posted on
07/31/2003 10:29:02 AM PDT
by
Destro
(Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorisim by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
To: TheBigB
The last comic books that I read were ...
AND
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posted on
07/31/2003 10:35:07 AM PDT
by
BlueLancer
(Der Elite Møøsenspåånkængruppen ØberKømmååndø (EMØØK))
To: 7thson
I think it's more likely that the writer wanted to get in his cheap shot on Bush, but wasn't willing to go far enough to have it impact continuity, so he used a cop-out ending by making it a dream.
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posted on
07/31/2003 10:42:47 AM PDT
by
Green Knight
(Looking forward to seeing Jeb stepping over Hillary's rotting political corpse in 2008.)
To: TheBigB
This is no slam against you but, from what I have seen of the grown men who populate the comic book world, it is no surprise. A lot of them look like life's losers. I know there are exceptions to this rule, yourself for instance, but it is the same with science fiction. I should know. I was once on a Dune forum in which a person brought up the subject of the Harkonnens enslaving people in the Dune universe. This person asked why it would be allowed to continue. All I could think was "yeah, I bet here in the real world that you are against the liberation of the Iraqi people."
To: Frank_Discussion
Miller's stuff was really pretty good. The original "Dark Knight" is still available as a graphic novel in large comic stores. Miller just last year did a sequel series to "Dark Knight" as well
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posted on
07/31/2003 11:01:21 AM PDT
by
SauronOfMordor
(Java/C++/Unix/Web Developer === needs a job at the moment)
To: TheBigB
The mainstream comic industry (DC and Marvel, they've been around over 60 years and are the Big Two) has been pushing a lot of PC crap for the past 12 years.
They seem to have really stepped up their efforts.
I only recently learned that DC editor Bob Schreck is openly bisexual. What he does in private isn't the issue but it would seem that some of the top dogs are pushing a heavy liberal agenda.
Some kids may still read comics but I think that the readers are somewhat older now. They still shouldn't have to be subjected to crappy storylines that insult their political beliefs (and the leadership of this country). Comics are an escapist entertainment.
I don't read comics by DC or Marvel these days (although I did get the new Dark Knight sequel).
Most of my publications are by the West Coast (Seattle) publishing company Fantagraphics. It is safe to say that their politics are left of the DNC. It also doesn't seem to affect many of the comics that they publish (the majority are apolitical). Love And Rockets has some homosexual or bisexual characters but it isn't a part of the story to show that "they are good people once you get to know them" or to show how they are victimized. Other comics like Daniel Clowes "Eightball" have no recurring characters, they are just short stories. Chris Ware's work is about isolationism and rejection and doesn't make topical references either. Even Robert Crumb hasn't been political in his new comix.
It is an odd sanctuary that I've found in the comics industry in the most unlikely place. Now the interviews in the Comics Journal can run for 60 pages and get to be political but some of the ideas advanced are so off that they are easy to dismiss (the comments help to frame the mindset of the artist being profiled).
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posted on
07/31/2003 11:02:25 AM PDT
by
weegee
To: TheBigB
Such BS stories could at least be tolerated if the media bias wasn't so bad. The pendulum never seems to swing to the right in such matters. Never is the conservative position voiced or the liberal position shown in a bad light.
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posted on
07/31/2003 11:07:15 AM PDT
by
weegee
To: Wondervixen
I'd love to see an "Ann Coulter, Defender of Liberty" cartoon! Great idea!
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posted on
07/31/2003 11:34:51 AM PDT
by
GodBlessRonaldReagan
(where is Count Petofi when we need him most?)
To: SauronOfMordor
The sequel sucked!
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posted on
07/31/2003 1:05:32 PM PDT
by
7thson
(I think it takes a big dog to weigh a 100 pounds.)
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