Posted on 07/24/2003 12:01:57 PM PDT by bedolido
July 24 — In a new study, researchers speculate that a towering undersea hot-water chimney laden with microbes is just the sort of place that might have spawned life on Earth or even other planets.
THE HYDROTHERMAL VENT SYSTEM discovered two years ago has now been found to have endured for 30,000 years. Researchers said similar setups — on Earth and possibly on other worlds — might last millions of years and could have been incubators for the first life. The Lost City, as it has been named, is a craggy column of minerals and microbes sitting 2,500 feet below the surface of the Atlantic Ocean. It is 180 feet (55 meters) tall, higher than any other known underwater vent system and more than twice as tall as most.
UNIQUE SYSTEM Underneath the structure, seawater seeps down into the fractured crust of Earth. There, the decay of one mineral forms another, called serpentine, and releases heat in the process. This process of serpentinization lifts warm water laden with minerals back into the ocean, building the structure.
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But, there is NO evidence for abiogenesis; and evidence for evolution is fading very fast. Most of what amounts to evidence these days is speculation and story-telling.
And, you have apparently have aligned yourself with those who define "science" as materialistic, defining away anything that is not material. So, where do you get that definition of "science?"
Can you give the molecular structure of an idea? Can you demonstrate, scientifically, that the immaterial does not exist, and is therefore unworthy of investigation? The problem with your definition of science is that it is unprovable. As is evolution. Evolution is philosophical model that you can't reproduce, test, falsify...evolution is not science.
The Creation-model is also philosophical. But, for a truth claim to be true (the category for both the evolution model and the creation model) it must comport with reality. And, although I am sure you will object loudly, the creation model comports with reality far better than does evolution.
And, just in case you hadn't thought about it, creation scientists are every bit as scientific as evolutionist scientist. But, evolutionist have tried to eliminate them from the discussion by defining what they do as religion. Well, guess what? We look at the same evidence you look at, we examine the same fossils you examine, we observe the same solar system that you observer, and arrive at conclusions based on our presuppositions just like you do. Apparently, and I could be wrong, your presupposition is that there is nothing supernatural that is scientifically ineteresting. We approach it from just the opposite. And, we don't, as far too many evolutionists like to say, dismiss everything with a faith statement, or a God did it, so let's not bother doing any further research. Just the oppostite, again, is the case. We see order and design in the universe, and we seek to understand that order and design. We seek to harness the complexity for the good of our fellow man.
I will not provide any links to further elborate my position, because you would probably either not read them, or pass them off as further proof of our "escape from reality" bit. So with that, good night. Hope your weekend is wonderful. Enjoy that great outdoors that our Creator has provided you.
What scientific hypothesis?
How could I! LOL! Is he still 'For Sale' ?
Watch those senate confirmation hearings and if you publicly state your beliefs and sincerity you are vetted - crucified ... there is supposed to be no religious - ideological special interest test or PLEDGE for office and now the supreme court has established a liberal CARTEL - clergy - priesthood ... abortion - pornography - evolution ONLY ? - gun control - racial - sexual preferences especially !
Well, I was really asking what you meant? In this specific case, a hypothesis is purely conjecture. There is no doubt that the vent is there and there are microbes on it, but that is not a hypothesis. A hypothesis would be that microbes are there because it is a source of raw materials and energy. It is no more, at this point, than the volcanic vents we already know of. The particular compound they mention as a starting material is an igneous compound. That is something one expects around volcanic areas.
* Physics: Newton, Faraday, Maxwell, Kelvin
* Chemistry: Boyle, Dalton, Ramsay
* Biology: Ray, Linnaeus, Mendel, Pasteur, Virchow, Agassiz
* Geology: Steno, Woodward, Brewster, Buckland, Cuvier
* Astronomy: Copernicus, Galileo, Kepler, Herschel, Maunder
* Mathematics: Pascal, Leibnitz
A few other creation scientists of the Past. See if you recognize any
Early
* Francis Bacon (1561–1626) Scientific method
* Johann Kepler (1571–1630) (WOH) Scientific astronomy
* Athanasius Kircher (1601–1680) Inventor
* John Wilkins (1614–1672)
* Walter Charleton (1619–1707) President of the Royal College of Physicians
* Blaise Pascal (biography page) and article from Creation magazine (1623–1662) Hydrostatics; Barometer
* Sir William Petty (1623 –1687) Statistics; Scientific economics
* Robert Boyle (1627–1691) (WOH) Chemistry; Gas dynamics
* John Ray (1627–1705) Natural history
* Isaac Barrow (1630–1677) Professor of Mathematics
* Nicolas Steno (1631–1686) Stratigraphy
* Thomas Burnet (1635–1715) Geology
* Increase Mather (1639–1723) Astronomy
* Nehemiah Grew (1641–1712) Medical Doctor, Botany
The Age of Newton
* Isaac Newton (1642–1727) (WOH) Dynamics; Calculus; Gravitation law; Reflecting telescope (wrote more about the Bible than science, and emphatically affirmed a Creator)
* Gottfried Wilhelm Leibnitz (1646–1716) Mathematician
* John Flamsteed (1646–1719) Greenwich Observatory Founder; Astronomy
* William Derham (1657–1735) Ecology
* Cotton Mather (1662–1727) Physician
* John Harris (1666–1719) Mathematician
* John Woodward (1665–1728) Paleontology
* William Whiston (1667–1752) Physics, Geology
* John Hutchinson (1674–1737) Paleontology
* Johathan Edwards (1703–1758) Physics, Meteorology
* Carolus Linneaus (1707–1778) Taxonomy; Biological classification system
* Jean Deluc (1727–1817) Geology
* Richard Kirwan (1733–1812) Mineralogy
* William Herschel (1738–1822) Galactic astronomy; Uranus
* James Parkinson (1755–1824) Physician
* John Dalton (1766–1844) Atomic theory; Gas law
* John Kidd, M.D. (1775–1851) Chemical synthetics
Just Before Darwin
* Timothy Dwight (1752–1817) Educator
* William Kirby (1759–1850) Entomologist
* Jedidian Horse (1761–1826) Geographer
* Benjamin Barton (1766–1815) Botanist; Zoologist
* John Dalton (1766–1844) Father of the Modern Atomic Theory; Chemistry
* Georges Cuvier (1769–1832) Comparative anatomy, paleontology
* Samuel Miller (1770–1840) Clergy
* Charles Bell (1774–1842) Anatomist
* John Kidd (1775–1851) Chemistry
* Humphrey Davy (1778–1829) Thermokinetics; Safety lamp
* Benjamin Silliman (1779–1864) Mineralogist
* Peter Mark Roget (1779–1869) Physician; Physiologist
* Thomas Chalmers (1780–1847) Professor
* David Brewster (1781–1868) Optical mineralogy, Kaleidoscope
* William Buckland (1784–1856) Geologist
* William Prout (1785–1850) Food chemistry
* Adam Sedgwick (1785–1873) Geology
* Michael Faraday (1791–1867) (WOH) Electro magnetics; Field theory, Generator
* Samuel F. B. Morse (1791–1872) Telegraph
* Charles Babbage (1792–1871) Operations research; Computer science; Ophthalmoscope
* John Herschel (1792–1871) Astronomy
* Edward Hitchcock (1793–1864) Geology
* William Whewell (1794–1866) Anemometer
* Joseph Henry (1797–1878) Electric motor; Galvanometer
Just After Darwin
* Richard Owen (1804–1892) Zoology; Paleontology
* Matthew Maury (1806–1873) Oceanography, Hydrography
* Louis Agassiz (1807–1873) Glaciology, Ichthyology
* Henry Rogers (1808–1866) Geology
* John Murray (1808–1892) Publisher
* James Glaisher (1809–1903) Meteorology
* Philip H. Gosse (1810–1888) Ornithologist; Zoology
* Sir Henry Rawlinson (1810–1895) Archeologist
* James Simpson (1811–1870) Gynecology, Anesthesiology
* James Dana (1813–1895) Geology
* Sir Joseph Henry Gilbert (1817–1901) Agricultural Chemist
* James Joule (1818–1889) Thermodynamics
* Thomas Anderson (1819–1874) Chemist
* Charles Piazzi Smyth (1819–1900) Astronomy
* George Stokes (1819–1903) Fluid Mechanics
* John William Dawson (1820–1899) Geology
* Rudolph Virchow (1821–1902) Pathology
* Gregor Mendel (1822–1884) (WOH) Genetics
* Louis Pasteur (1822–1895) (WOH) Bacteriology, Biochemistry; Sterilization; Immunization
* Henri Fabre (1823–1915) Entomology of living insects
* William Thompson, Lord Kelvin (1824–1907) Energetics; Absolute temperatures; Atlantic cable
* William Huggins (1824–1910) Astral spectrometry
* Bernhard Riemann (1826–1866) Non-Euclidean geometries
* Joseph Lister (1827–1912) Antiseptic surgery
* Balfour Stewart (1828–1887) Ionospheric electricity
* James Clerk Maxwell (1831–1879) (WOH) Electrodynamics; Statistical thermodynamics
* P.G. Tait (1831–1901) Vector analysis
* John Bell Pettigrew (1834–1908) Anatomist; Physiologist
* John Strutt, Lord Rayleigh (1842–1919) Similitude; Model Analysis; Inert Gases
* Sir William Abney (1843–1920) Astronomy
* Alexander MacAlister (1844–1919) Anatomy
* A.H. Sayce (1845–1933) Archeologist
* George Romanes (1848–1894) Biology; Physiology
* John Ambrose Fleming (1849–1945) Electronics; Electron tube; Thermionic valve
The Modern Period
Even today, many scientists reject particles-to-people evolution (i.e. everything made itself).
Dr Russell Humphreys, a nuclear physicist working with Sandia National Laboratories in Albuquerque, New Mexico, has over 20 articles in physics journals, while Dr John Baumgardner's catastrophic plate tectonics theory was published in Nature.
Dr Raymond V. Damadian, invented the method known today as magnetic resonance imaging or MRI
Dr Edward Boudreaux of the University of New Orleans has published 26 articles and four books in physical chemistry.
Dr Maciej Giertych, head of the Department of Genetics at the Institute of Dendrology of the Polish Academy of Sciences, has published 90 papers in scientific journals.
So an oft-repeated charge that no real scientist rejects evolution is completely without foundation.
* Dr Clifford Burdick, Geologist
* George Washington Carver (1864–1943) Inventor
* L. Merson Davies (1890–1960) Geology; Paleontology
* Douglas Dewar (1875–1957) Ornithologist
* Howard A. Kelly (1858–1943) Gynecology
* Paul Lemoine (1878–1940) Geology
* Dr Frank Marsh, Biology
* Dr John Mann, Agriculturist, biological control pioneer
* Edward H. Maunder (1851–1928) Astronomy
* William Mitchell Ramsay (1851–1939) Archeologist
* William Ramsay (1852–1916) Isotopic chemistry, Element transmutation
* Charles Stine (1882–1954) Organic Chemist
* A. Rendle-Short (1885–1955) Surgeon
* Sir Cecil P. G. Wakeley (1892–1979) Surgeon
* Dr Larry Butler, Biochemist
* Prof. Verna Wright, Rheumatologist
* Arthur E. Wilder-Smith (1915–1995) Three science doctorates; a creation science pioneer
And here are some from the present...but I won't reformat
* Dr Paul Ackerman, Psychologist * Dr Steve Austin, Geologist * Dr S.E. Aw, Biochemist * Dr Thomas Barnes, Physicist * Dr Don Batten, Plant physiologist, tropical fruit expert * Dr John Baumgardner, Electrical Engineering, Space Physicist, Geophysicist, expert in supercomputer modeling of plate tectonics * Dr Jerry Bergman, Psychologist * Dr Kimberly Berrine, Microbiology & Immunology * Prof. Vladimir Betina, Microbiology, Biochemistry & Biology * Dr Raymond G. Bohlin, Biologist * Dr Andrew Bosanquet, Biology, Microbiology * Dr David R. Boylan, Chemical Engineer * Prof. Linn E. Carothers, Associate Professor of Statistics * Dr David Catchpoole, Plant Physiologist * Prof. Sung-Do Cha, Physics * Dr Eugene F. Chaffin, Professor of Physics * Dr Choong-Kuk Chang, Genetic Engineering * Prof. Jeun-Sik Chang, Aeronautical Engineering * Dr Donald Chittick, Physical Chemist * Prof. Chung-Il Cho, Biology Education * Dr Harold Coffin, Palaeontologist * Dr Bob Compton, DVM * Dr Ken Cumming, Biologist * Dr Jack W. Cuozzo, Dentist * Dr William M. Curtis III * Dr Malcolm Cutchins, Aerospace Engineering * Dr Lionel Dahmer, Organic Chemistry * Dr Raymond V. Damadian, M.D., Pioneer of magnetic resonance imaging * Dr Chris Darnbrough, Biochemist * Dr Bryan Dawson, Mathematics * Dr Douglas Dean, Biological Chemistry * Prof. Stephen W. Deckard, Assistant Professor of Education * Dr David A. DeWitt, Biology, Biochemistry, Neuroscience * Dr Don DeYoung, Astronomy, atmospheric physics, M.Div * Dr Geoff Downes, Creationist Plant Physiologist * Dr Ted Driggers * Dr André Eggen, geneticist * Prof. Dennis L. Englin, Professor of Geophysics * Prof. Danny Faulkner, Astronomy * Prof. Carl B. Fliermans, Professor of Biology * Prof. Robert H. Franks, Associate Professor of Biology * Dr Duane Gish, Biochemist * Dr Werner Gitt, Information Scientist * Dr Dianne Grocott, Psychiatrist * Dr Stephen Grocott, Industrial Chemist * Dr Donald Hamann, Food Scientist * Dr Barry Harker, Philosopher * Dr Charles W. Harrison, Applied Physicist, Electromagnetics * Dr John Hartnett, Physicist and Metrologist * Dr George Hawke, Environmental Scientist * Dr Margaret Helder, Science Editor, Botanist * Dr Harold R. Henry, Engineer * Dr Jonathan Henry, Astronomy * Dr Joseph Henson, Entomologist * Robert A. Herrmann, Professor of Mathematics, US Naval Academy * Dr Kelly Hollowell, Molecular and Cellular Pharmacologist * Dr Ed Holroyd, III, Atmospheric Science * Dr Russell Humphreys, Physicist * Dr Pierre Jerlström, Creationist Molecular Biologist * Dr Jonathan W. Jones, Plastic Surgeon * Dr Raymond Jones, Agricultural Scientist * Prof. Leonid Korochkin, Molecular Biology * Dr Valery Karpounin, Mathematical Sciences, Logics, Formal Logics * Dr Dean Kenyon, Biologist * Prof. Gi-Tai Kim, Biology * Prof. Harriet Kim, Biochemistry * Prof. Jong-Bai Kim, Biochemistry * Prof. Jung-Han Kim, Biochemistry * Prof. Jung-Wook Kim, Environmental Science * Prof. Kyoung-Rai Kim, Analytical Chemistry * Prof. Kyoung-Tai Kim, Genetic Engineering * Prof. Young-Gil Kim, Materials Science * Prof. Young In Kim, Engineering * Dr John W. Klotz, Biologist * Dr Vladimir F. Kondalenko, Cytology/Cell Pathology * Dr Leonid Korochkin, M.D., Genetics, Molecular Biology, Neurobiology * Prof. Jin-Hyouk Kwon, Physics * Prof. Myung-Sang Kwon, Immunology * Prof. John Lennox, Mathematics * Dr John Leslie, Biochemist * Prof. Lane P. Lester, Biologist, Genetics * Dr Alan Love, Chemist * Dr Ian Macreadie, molecular biologist and microbiologist: * Dr John Marcus, Molecular Biologist * Dr George Marshall, Eye Disease Researcher * Dr Ralph Matthews, Radiation Chemist * Prof. Andy McIntosh, Combustion theory, aerodynamics * Dr David Menton, Anatomist * Dr Angela Meyer: Creationist Plant Physiologist * Dr John Meyer , Physiologist * Dr John N. Moore, Science Educator * Dr Henry M. Morris, Hydrologist * Dr John D. Morris , Geologist * Dr Len Morris, Physiologist * Dr Graeme Mortimer, Geologist * Prof. Hee-Choon No, Nuclear Engineering * Dr David Oderberg, Philosopher * Prof. John Oller, Linguistics * Prof. Chris D. Osborne , Assistant Professor of Biology * Dr John Osgood, Medical Practitioner * Dr Charles Pallaghy, Botanist * Dr Gary E. Parker , Biologist, Cognate in Geology (Paleontology) * Dr John Rankin, Cosmologist: * Dr A.S. Reece, M.D. * Prof. J. Rendle-Short, Pediatrics * Dr Jung-Goo Roe, Biology * Dr David Rosevear, Chemist * Dr Jonathan D. Sarfati, Physical chemist / spectroscopist * Dr Joachim Scheven Palaeontologist: * Dr Ian Scott, Educator * Dr Saami Shaibani, Forensic physicist * Dr Young-Gi Shim, Chemistry * Prof. Hyun-Kil Shin, Food Science * Dr Mikhail Shulgin, Physics * Dr Emil Silvestru, Geologist/karstologist * Dr Roger Simpson, Engineer * Dr Harold Slusher, Geophysicist * Dr Andrew Snelling , Geologist * Prof. Man-Suk Song, Computer Science * Prof. James Stark , Assistant Professor of Science Education * Prof. Brian Stone, Engineer * Dr Charles Taylor, Linguistics * Dr Michael Todhunter, Forest Genetics * Dr Lyudmila Tonkonog, Chemistry/Biochemistry * Dr Royal Truman, Organic Chemist: * Dr Larry Vardiman, Atmospheric Science * Prof. Walter Veith, Zoologist * Dr Joachim Vetter, Biologist * Dr Tas Walker, Mechanical Engineer and Geologist * Dr Jeremy Walter, Mechanical Engineer * Dr Keith Wanser, Physicist * Dr Noel Weeks, Ancient Historian (also has B.Sc. in Zoology) * Dr A.J. Monty White, Chemistry/Gas Kinetics * Dr Carl Wieland, Medical doctor * Dr Clifford Wilson, Psycholinguist and archaeologist * Dr Kurt Wise, Palaeontologist * Dr Bryant Wood, Creationist Archaeologist * Prof. Seoung-Hoon Yang, Physics * Dr Thomas (Tong Y.) Yi, Ph.D., * Dr Ick-Dong Yoo, Genetics * Dr Sung-Hee Yoon, Biology * Dr Patrick Young, Chemist and Materials Scientist * Prof. Keun Bae Yu, Geography
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