Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

To: Aric2000
and abiogenesis, and evolution all occurred as science has oberved

But, there is NO evidence for abiogenesis; and evidence for evolution is fading very fast. Most of what amounts to evidence these days is speculation and story-telling.

And, you have apparently have aligned yourself with those who define "science" as materialistic, defining away anything that is not material. So, where do you get that definition of "science?"

Can you give the molecular structure of an idea? Can you demonstrate, scientifically, that the immaterial does not exist, and is therefore unworthy of investigation? The problem with your definition of science is that it is unprovable. As is evolution. Evolution is philosophical model that you can't reproduce, test, falsify...evolution is not science.

The Creation-model is also philosophical. But, for a truth claim to be true (the category for both the evolution model and the creation model) it must comport with reality. And, although I am sure you will object loudly, the creation model comports with reality far better than does evolution.

And, just in case you hadn't thought about it, creation scientists are every bit as scientific as evolutionist scientist. But, evolutionist have tried to eliminate them from the discussion by defining what they do as religion. Well, guess what? We look at the same evidence you look at, we examine the same fossils you examine, we observe the same solar system that you observer, and arrive at conclusions based on our presuppositions just like you do. Apparently, and I could be wrong, your presupposition is that there is nothing supernatural that is scientifically ineteresting. We approach it from just the opposite. And, we don't, as far too many evolutionists like to say, dismiss everything with a faith statement, or a God did it, so let's not bother doing any further research. Just the oppostite, again, is the case. We see order and design in the universe, and we seek to understand that order and design. We seek to harness the complexity for the good of our fellow man.

I will not provide any links to further elborate my position, because you would probably either not read them, or pass them off as further proof of our "escape from reality" bit. So with that, good night. Hope your weekend is wonderful. Enjoy that great outdoors that our Creator has provided you.

63 posted on 07/24/2003 7:59:06 PM PDT by LiteKeeper
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 42 | View Replies ]


To: LiteKeeper
Great stuff LiteKeeper...
68 posted on 07/24/2003 8:02:27 PM PDT by NewLand
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 63 | View Replies ]

To: LiteKeeper
Litekeeper, I think your story is wonderful, if ONLY it were true,

All I see is a bunch of creationists claiming that since evolution cannot use god as a causation that it is false.

That's fine, but it AIN'T science.

Most scientists are theistic in some way shape or form, and their personal beliefs may effect their work, but that is why there is Peer review, because if a religious worldview is what got the answer, but the answer is wrong, other scientists will let others scientists know.

THere are answers out there, and the more we find, the more questions there become.

As I said, If you wish to say that god is the one that got it all started, I have no argument with you at all.

But to say that evolution has no evidence is clearly irrational, to say that science does not use god as a causation because it is materialistic or atheistic is also irrational.

God cannot be used as a causation in science because science tries to explain the natural world through natural laws, and as soon as you throw in something that is OUTSIDE those natural laws, it turns into religion.
74 posted on 07/24/2003 8:13:13 PM PDT by Aric2000 (If the history of science shows us anything, it is that we get nowhere by labeling our ignorance god)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 63 | View Replies ]

To: LiteKeeper
Worth repeating!

And, just in case you hadn't thought about it, creation scientists are every bit as scientific as evolutionist scientist. But, evolutionist have tried to eliminate them from the discussion by defining what they do as religion. Well, guess what? We look at the same evidence you look at, we examine the same fossils you examine, we observe the same solar system that you observe, and arrive at conclusions based on our presuppositions just like you do.

Speaking of good Research.

Holy Allosaurus!

Fregards, MM

92 posted on 07/24/2003 10:13:32 PM PDT by Michael_Michaelangelo
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 63 | View Replies ]

To: LiteKeeper
Most of what amounts to evidence these days is speculation and story-telling.

And the ever popular 'exact same mutations found in species thought to be related on other grounds', such as my favorite, the *exact same* mutation in people, chimps, gorillas, et al, that prevents synthesis of ascorbic acid (Vitamin C)

Exact same mistake, found in species thought to be related. I inherited my mutation form my parents, as did you, as do the (Other) great apes. Isn't the simplest explanation for this fact the hypothesis that the mutation occured once, in a common ancestor, and was inherited by us and the (Other) great apes?

Here's a discussion of this, from a Christian point of view The ape that bears God's image

An essay well worth reading, includes lots of concrete examples.

141 posted on 07/25/2003 9:25:06 PM PDT by Virginia-American
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 63 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson