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Undersea vents possible origin of life
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| 07/24/03
| Robert Roy Britt
Posted on 07/24/2003 12:01:57 PM PDT by bedolido
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To: PurVirgo
I am curious as to what properties these microbes may have, if any.I'm sure that the cave microbes are being picked apart. I suppose the same will happen to the vent microbes. It will remain a monumental task.
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posted on
07/24/2003 1:56:42 PM PDT
by
AndrewC
To: fish hawk
My sense and belief is that in trying to figure out the relationship between God and man, the ancient Hebrews...figured it out.
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posted on
07/24/2003 2:14:35 PM PDT
by
onedoug
To: bedolido

Undersea vents are about as likely to program DNA code into functioning life forms as they are to being able to program your PC to calculate a Lunar Landing trajectory.
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posted on
07/24/2003 2:16:30 PM PDT
by
Southack
(Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
To: PurVirgo
I always wanted to see Carl's good caverns. But they only show the public the bad ones.
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posted on
07/24/2003 2:17:13 PM PDT
by
Hillarys Gate Cult
("Read Hillary's hips. I never had sex with that woman.")
To: onedoug
My sense and belief is that in trying to figure out the relationship between God and man, the ancient Hebrews...figured it out. Or maybe the Hindus figured it out.
Or maybe the ancient Sikhs figured it out.
Or maybe the ancient Janns figured it out.
Or maybe the ancient Buddhists figured it out.
Or maybe...none of them did.
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posted on
07/24/2003 2:19:42 PM PDT
by
balrog666
(I'm not wearing any pants! Film at 11.)
To: balrog666
One God. One morality. Decency toward others. Deed over creed.
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posted on
07/24/2003 2:40:06 PM PDT
by
onedoug
To: vbmoneyspender
microbes have been found that can live within rock located deep underground and at superhigh temperatures. This means that microbes are probably inside every rocky planet in the universe, whether they have stars associated with them or not. Odds are about 1.00000.
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posted on
07/24/2003 2:42:55 PM PDT
by
RightWhale
(Destroy the dark; restore the light)
To: LiteKeeper
Information never arises from inorganic matter.Sure it does. Carefully examine the sand grains on a beach. You are likely to find that the average size of the grains on the surface of the beach grows smaller as you move up the beach from the shoreline. The reason is obvious on reflection: the waves lose energy as they lap up the beach so that larger particles of sand fall out of suspension first.
Despite the extreme simplicity of this example, there is information here, i.e. a coding in the sand grain size differential indicating (roughly) how far up the beach one is, and which direction is toward the shore and which away from the shore.
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posted on
07/24/2003 2:44:27 PM PDT
by
Stultis
To: Stultis
Sure it does. Do you honestly believe the incredbily complex amount of specified complex information need to create a human being, from blood clotting to abstract thinking could be put in the same category as unspecified complex information in a grain of sand.
Complexity in a grain of sand is a function of chemistry; specified complexity in human DNA is a function of design. p> More on this later.
To: balrog666
Or maybe the Hindus figured it out. Or maybe the creation of Man on Earth was for the purpose of supplying a pantry to the Immortal Cthulhu...
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posted on
07/24/2003 3:12:50 PM PDT
by
SauronOfMordor
(Java/C++/Unix/Web Developer === will work for food)
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To: balrog666
maybe the Hindus figured it out. I may choose . . . item #2, pragmatically evolved, if the price is right and there are no more than 100 new terms of uncertain definition to learn. #1, inspired, and #3, revealed, are more popular and in demand, and like California housing are priced out of the market for my modest means. Otherwise, #4, social tradition, will continue to jockey for position with #5, mindless ritual, during my periodic propitiatory moments.
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posted on
07/24/2003 3:42:48 PM PDT
by
RightWhale
(Destroy the dark; restore the light)
To: LiteKeeper
Never say never.. because you could be proved wrong.
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posted on
07/24/2003 3:44:35 PM PDT
by
Aric2000
(If the history of science shows us anything, it is that we get nowhere by labeling our ignorance god)
To: LiteKeeper
What? You think that scientists believe that all the DNA that creates a human being came into existence over a thermal vent?
Get a grip man, very basic forms of life could have formed at those thermal vents, and then evolved into higher more complex beings. Once you have the foundation, the house can go up pretty quickly.
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posted on
07/24/2003 3:49:18 PM PDT
by
Aric2000
(If the history of science shows us anything, it is that we get nowhere by labeling our ignorance god)
To: Aric2000
"could have"
typical evo-science
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posted on
07/24/2003 3:52:48 PM PDT
by
ALS
(http://designeduniverse.com Featuring original works by FR's finest . contact me to add yours!)
To: LiteKeeper
Do you honestly believe the incredbily complex amount of specified complex information need to create a human being, from blood clotting to abstract thinking could be put in the same category as unspecified complex information in a grain of sand. Sure, what's the problem aside from choosing a usable abstraction?
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posted on
07/24/2003 4:00:24 PM PDT
by
RightWhale
(Destroy the dark; restore the light)
To: LiteKeeper; ALS
It is called "story telling." Yes indeed. The Discovery Channel had a special on the existence of other planets. None have been observed but they already have the size and color and location of these imaginary orbs. [Kind of like building a whole civilization out of a pig's tooth?]
Finally they speculated (they actually said they WOULD find them) that there are probably forms of life on these hostile "gas giant" planets. That raises three questions:
There was anticipated possible life on the moon before the rocks were brought back. The moon is not as hostile as a gas giant. If there is no life on the moon, why would there be life in an ammonia fire storm? There was anticipated possible life on Mars before the probes. If life isn't on Mars, what makes these geniuses think there will be life on some burning methane ball?
What makes these sciencefictionists certain that microbes in hostile environments didn't adapt from life that evolved (their a priori assumption) under less hostile conditions?
They want evolution to be true in the worst way, fingers, toes, and brain cells crossed.
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posted on
07/24/2003 6:15:53 PM PDT
by
Dataman
To: LiteKeeper
Do you honestly believe the incredbily complex amount of specified complex information need to create a human being, from blood clotting to abstract thinking could be put in the same category as unspecified complex information in a grain of sand. Exactly my thought. The trick to disregarding the origin of the massive amount of information in DNA is to redefine "information." To compare hydrologic sorting to genetic information is to compare a pebble with a city.
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posted on
07/24/2003 6:21:35 PM PDT
by
Dataman
To: Aric2000
very basic forms of life could have formed at those thermal vents, and then evolved into higher more complex beings. Once you have the foundation, the house can go up pretty quickly. Where do the instructions come from? How does the first cell "know" to split into two cells? If the cell somehow splits, how does it "know" to share the information between the two cells? Where do the instructions for ever more complex life forms come from? It can't "do what it doesn't know?" You see, inadvertently, you have stumbled on the most basic problem of evolution - increasing specified complexity requires massive amounts of information-input to happen. The unanswerable question for scientists is "where do the instructions come from?" "Instructions" require "information." "Information" requires "intelligence." Citing crystals of sand as an example to the contrary is not sufficient. There is far too much specified complexity in the universe to attribute it to chance mutations. Thus the name "Darwin's Black Box."
To: AndrewC
Thank you for a sane and restrained post. We'll know something when we know something.
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posted on
07/24/2003 6:24:49 PM PDT
by
js1138
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