[LiteKeeper]

Sure it does.

Do you honestly believe the incredbily complex amount of specified complex information need to create a human being, from blood clotting to abstract thinking could be put in the same category as unspecified complex information in a grain of sand.

Complexity in a grain of sand is a function of chemistry; specified complexity in human DNA is a function of design. p> More on this later.

[Aric2000]

What? You think that scientists believe that all the DNA that creates a human being came into existence over a thermal vent?

Get a grip man, very basic forms of life could have formed at those thermal vents, and then evolved into higher more complex beings. Once you have the foundation, the house can go up pretty quickly.

[RightWhale]

Do you honestly believe the incredbily complex amount of specified complex information need to create a human being, from blood clotting to abstract thinking could be put in the same category as unspecified complex information in a grain of sand.

Sure, what's the problem aside from choosing a usable abstraction?

[Dataman]

Do you honestly believe the incredbily complex amount of specified complex information need to create a human being, from blood clotting to abstract thinking could be put in the same category as unspecified complex information in a grain of sand.

Exactly my thought. The trick to disregarding the origin of the massive amount of information in DNA is to redefine "information." To compare hydrologic sorting to genetic information is to compare a pebble with a city.

[Stultis]

Do you honestly believe the incredbily complex amount of specified complex information need to create a human being, from blood clotting to abstract thinking could be put in the same category as unspecified complex information in a grain of sand.

I'm not putting them in the same category, but only pointing out that your statement -- "Information never arises from inorganic matter." -- is wrong. BTW, the information in the sand IS specified (for example it points up beach and down beach) once the code is read.

There is no such thing as "information" in an absolute sense (like energy, fields, or matter). Any non-random arrangement of matter (or energy, or temporal events, etc) can contain "information," and since there are such non-random arrangements literally everywhere, there is "information" literally everywhere.