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Please Sign This Petition to President George W. Bush on Women in Combat
Center for Military Readiness ^ | Elaine Donnelly

Posted on 07/23/2003 10:41:00 AM PDT by Tailgunner Joe

In the earliest days of the fierce Battle of Iraq, the nation learned of the violent capture of three brave female soldiers. Two were single mothers, and one of them never came home. Feminists have rushed to exploit the tragedies of that day by renewing their drive to put other women into all close combat units, including special operations forces and related helicopters, submarines, and even the infantry and armor.

In defense of sound personnel policies in the armed forces, the Center for Military Readiness has launched a national Americans for the Military petition campaign. We are asking President Bush to direct Pentagon leaders to objectively review and revise problematic Clinton-era policies.

These include: Changes in the 1994 rules that have put female soldiers at greater risk of capture by the enemy; Co-ed basic training that the Army has admitted is “not inefficient”; Long-term separation of children from single and dual-service parents and deployability problems associated with pregnancy; plus Gender-based recruiting “goals” that are rarely called “quotas.” Extensive information on these issues and more can be found in the “Issues” and “CMR Notes” sections of this website.

All four issues on the Petition to President George W. Bush can be revised administratively, in the same way that they were enacted during the Clinton Administration.

Petition to President George W. Bush

Whereas, the nation is proud of the men and women who are serving their country well in the War on Terrorism, and the Commander-in-Chief who leads them; and

Whereas, some activists are trying to use the capture, serious injury, and/or death of female enlisted soldiers in a support unit ambushed in Iraq as an excuse to promote radical feminist objectives, such as the inclusion of uniformed women in Special Forces helicopters, submarines, and many land combat units; and

Whereas, the majority of military women, especially enlisted soldiers, have been affected by the previous administration's 1994 decision to eliminate the Defense Department's "Risk Rule," and are therefore being required to serve in combat support units known to involve a "substantial risk of capture;" and

Whereas, there is no demographic or military need to routinely send young mothers to fight our wars, or to encourage acceptance of violence against women at the hands of the enemy; and

Whereas, numerous studies have convincingly shown that due to physical differences, female soldiers do not have an equal opportunity to survive, or to help fellow soldiers survive, in close combat environments; and

Whereas, Army co-ed basic training has been found by the Army Training and Doctrine Command to be "not efficient" and of no objective military value; and

Whereas, the nation appreciates the leadership of President Bush in restoring military readiness and morale, but the families of both men and women in the armed forces are still concerned about personnel policies that make military life more difficult or more dangerous;

We Respectfully Ask, Mr. President, That You Direct Uniformed and Civilian Pentagon Officials to:



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To: Tailgunner Joe
She was killed to pander to feminists who oppose the war anyway and are happy that what happened undermines support for the war at home.

No, she was killed because she was a soldier who was defending her country.

201 posted on 07/24/2003 5:29:08 PM PDT by #3Fan
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To: SFmom
I'm not signing it!

I am with you 100%.

202 posted on 07/24/2003 5:36:23 PM PDT by Jeff Gordon
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To: Pan_Yans Wife
Is he that coordinated?
203 posted on 07/24/2003 5:39:17 PM PDT by PatrioticAmerican (Helping Mexicans invade America is TREASON!)
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To: #3Fan
But it would take more resources going toward recruitment, resources better used to keep our soldiers safe as possible.

I am concerned with keeping our female soldiers safe. That's why I don't want them in the combat zone. Less women will take the bait of a free college education and enlist now that they've seen what will happen to them.

Another one of your theories that doesn't make logical sense.

Actually, it makes perfect sense. You did get the memo about the Lynch Rambette stories being a load of BS propaganda, right?

There have been reports detailing what happened.

Yes, conflicting reports.

204 posted on 07/24/2003 5:39:55 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: #3Fan
She was killed for no military reason at all.
205 posted on 07/24/2003 5:40:51 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
I am concerned with keeping our female soldiers safe. That's why I don't want them in the combat zone.,p>I want all of our sodiers as safe as practical, that's why I support an all-volunteer force and resources used on equipment and training instead of recruitment.

Less women will take the bait of a free college education and enlist now that they've seen what will happen to them.

I'm all for education in choice. If women decide they don't want to join because of what happened to Lynch and they know the odds of that happening, then it's a good thing.

Actually, it makes perfect sense. You did get the memo about the Lynch Rambette stories being a load of BS propaganda, right?

But you're saying that a man would've done better in that situation. All the men in her Humvee were killed, so how would a man have done better?

Yes, conflicting reports.

No, there's been an Army report of what happened.

206 posted on 07/24/2003 5:47:26 PM PDT by #3Fan
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To: Tailgunner Joe
I'll try again:

I am concerned with keeping our female soldiers safe. That's why I don't want them in the combat zone.

I want all of our sodiers as safe as practical, that's why I support an all-volunteer force and resources used on equipment and training instead of recruitment.

Less women will take the bait of a free college education and enlist now that they've seen what will happen to them.

I'm all for education in choice. If women decide they don't want to join because of what happened to Lynch and they know the odds of that happening, then it's a good thing.

Actually, it makes perfect sense. You did get the memo about the Lynch Rambette stories being a load of BS propaganda, right?

But you're saying that a man would've done better in that situation. All the men in her Humvee were killed, so how would a man have done better?

Yes, conflicting reports.

No, there's been an Army report of what happened.

207 posted on 07/24/2003 5:48:16 PM PDT by #3Fan
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To: Tailgunner Joe
She was killed for no military reason at all.

She was defending her country. A good reason.

208 posted on 07/24/2003 5:49:01 PM PDT by #3Fan
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To: Tailgunner Joe
In for a pound.
209 posted on 07/24/2003 5:50:54 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: #3Fan
I can see we're starting to go in circles.

I'm signing off, but maybe we can continue this tomorrow if you think of something else.

Thanks for all the bumps.

210 posted on 07/24/2003 5:54:48 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
I can see we're starting to go in circles. I'm signing off, but maybe we can continue this tomorrow if you think of something else. Thanks for all the bumps.

Yeah I could tell you were just keeping this going for the bumps since you didn't get much of a response.

211 posted on 07/24/2003 6:08:42 PM PDT by #3Fan
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To: Tailgunner Joe
bttt
213 posted on 07/24/2003 9:57:43 PM PDT by Coleus (God is Pro Life and Straight and gave an innate predisposition for self-preservation and protection)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
IMO, the USA armed forces, the FBI, the BATF and the DEA should go 100% female in the next ten years. Men have carried the burden of defense and enforcement for centuries. It's time females earned their keep in the USA.
215 posted on 07/25/2003 5:17:46 AM PDT by UncleDudley
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To: Laxalt
Oliver North fought and earned his Silver Star with a draftee military.

I said I'll take an Oliver North over an Oliver Stone any day of the week. I wasn't putting down Oliver North. If you mispoke here and it was Oliver Stone that got a Silver Star, I'd still rather have people that believe in our cause instead of someone who uses his military tour to use as a springboard to make movies that propagandze against our military for the next 35 years.

It sounds to me as though your experience within the military is limited...to say the least.

Yep, never been in. But I can see who's on our side and who isn't and I'll take an Oliver North over an Oliver Stone any day of the week.

216 posted on 07/25/2003 11:19:14 AM PDT by #3Fan
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To: #3Fan
I won't be signing this petition. Women can make their own decisions.
218 posted on 07/28/2003 10:19:14 PM PDT by KineticKitty (We support our troops...as long as what they say/do fits our preconceived notions?)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Joe,
I know that you mean well. American men have been raised to protect women. To shelter them from danger. But no they longer seem to want that sort of protection. I have a broken finger from being a gentleman and opening a door for a very liberated woman. She slammed it on my finger (Not on purpose of course) Saying "I'm perfectly capable of opening my own door."

Given the same environment as the Chinese peasant woman, they'd prove to be better fiercer soldiers than men.Chairman Mao discovered that on the long march across China in 1937.They proved better than the men. As a consequence, Mao had an all woman honor guard. He said: "Once they have a taste of blood, nothing will stop them."

So I say give them the chance. If they want to fight, let them. Until they have gained the fiber of the Chinese peasant woman, let them have their own combat units trained and lead by women. See that it remains voluntary.
219 posted on 08/24/2003 10:18:25 PM PDT by eagleeyepete_2
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Signed, and thanks for the "heads up" on this petition!
220 posted on 08/30/2003 9:21:09 PM PDT by Terridan (God help us send these Islamic Extremist savages back into Hell where they belong...)
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