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The Evil of Dating (Dating vs.Courtship)
Lewrockwell.com ^ | September 7, 2002 | Heather M. Carson

Posted on 06/19/2003 8:29:45 AM PDT by Korth

On April 20, 2002 I married Stephen W. Carson after a 4-month courtship and 4-month engagement. Our marriage date marked for me almost five and one half years since I stopped dating, a decision I made at aged 23. Now I date almost every night – my husband!

Dating became a rather disheartening and shallow way of finding a mate, and so I made a rather unprecedented decision to stop. I say unprecedented because, while I am not the first one to do this, I am one of the only people I know, except for my husband who had independently also stopped dating almost one year before I did. During my abstinence from dating I received offers from men to go out and much to the dismay of my mother, turned them down. "How will you find a husband this way, Heather?" she asked, pining for grandchildren. With all vocabulary about courtship having been disposed of, I had no way of explaining that my heart’s desire was for exactly that – courtship, and so I usually said nothing or explained that I would be praying for God to provide. Now before you deem me a holy roller, allow me to elaborate on what brought me to this place.

During my undergraduate studies I wo rked as a Resident Advisor in a freshman dorm to help pay for school. My campus was rather unusual in that all of the dorms were still same-sex since the school was private and relatively conservative. At the beginning of the year I would sit down with the girls and go over dorm rules and answer any questions they might have. Many of these girls were away from home for the first time and welcomed the help. Each year, I would learn that many, if not most, of the freshman girls were virgins. One by one these girls came to me, after only a few months at college, wrestling with the desire of their new college boyfriends to be physical with them. One by one I counseled them to wait to have sex. Unfortunately, by the end of first semester, nearly all of them had become sexually active and were now nursing broken hearts, unplanned pregnancies or STDs, and were left with the question of how to cope with dating experiences gone awry. By the end of second semester these boyfriends had already broken up with the girls whose virginity they had taken and were pursuing other girls. Even as I look back, I am amazed at what I advised them since I was, at that time, actively dating and certainly had not been taught any rules about proper courtship.

My own dating experiences started out innocent enough. I began in high school around aged 14. I remember feeling uncomfortable left to make my own decisions about whom I would and would not date. I was asked out by a senior during my freshman year, and timidly turned him down feeling like I was making a major social blunder. I recall one date when the guy didn’t want to take me home right after the movie, which ended in a minor physical struggle before he finally agreed. My dating experiences in college were less traumatic, at first. But after a while, the lack of parental protection, and seeing so many of my peers going hog wild with their new sexual freedom, I grew rather cynical and began treating men worse than they treated me. My self-esteem plummeted. Finally, at aged 23 I decided to call it quits.

I see two main problems with dating as it is now. One is its purposelessness. I’ll illustrate this to explain. As a professional counselor, I’ve been asked to speak on the topic of dating numerous times at church youth groups. Youth pastors, church leaders, and parents are desperately trying to impress some kind of moral constraint on their youth by bringing in a "professional" to reconstruct the definition of dating. At these speaking engagements I look out into the faces of bright, eager youth and begin by having them think and rethink about their definition of dating, to somehow mold a definition that does not imply getting emotionally and physically involved without the proper protection that marital commitment brings. The lingo from the teens goes something like: "Dating means….being in a relationship". Or…"having a boyfriend/girlfriend." Or…"playing the field." Or (my personal favorite) …"getting to know each other."

What does all of this talk about relationships and boyfriends and girlfriends really mean? When I venture to ask those bright, eager faces they simply have no idea. This is dating: the act of being in a relationship or playing the field or getting to know each other for the purpose of ….the act of being in a relationship or playing the field…You get the idea.

What is particularly heartbreaking about all of this nonsense is the aftermath. As a counselor I have seen numerous teens and young adults wrestling with the consequences of this kind of dating. They are bewildered by their emotional reactions. Dating is, after all, supposed to be casual. One girl, I recall, felt so bad at the end of a dating relationship that her parents sent her to me for counseling. She was depressed and confused about her response and not sure how to handle it. Young girls are taught that something is wrong with them if they experience longings for commitment. After months of being led on by her boyfriend with talk of marriage she began to realize he had no intention of following through. Her biggest need at this time was permission from an adult to break up with this young man since she wasn’t getting it from peers or parents. Once armed with this permission, she ended the relationship, her depression ended, and she became a much happier young lady. Another teen girl I counseled was not so fortunate. She was very pretty, and had no idea how to handle the attention from her fellow male classmates. Her parents gave her no real guidelines for how to conduct herself, and yet she had somehow managed to preserve her virginity. Nonetheless, her low level of emotional maturity often led to putting herself into compromising situations, not to mention the morally chaotic excuses she used to justify her own behavior. She stopped attending our sessions without any real change in her behavior, and I often wonder how she’s doing now. One thing nearly all of these cases had in common is that their fathers are not providing the protection needed.

"Isn’t our daughter cute…isn’t she popular…she’s dating now!" parents proudly proclaim. What the above girls really needed were protective fathers to help ward off unwanted physical advances honeyed with deceptive talk of love and marriage.

But it’s not just young women who are heartbroken. I have heard from young men too who have no idea about how to go about courting a young woman toward marriage. If a teenage boy shows interest in treating girls properly, with respect and gentility he is made fun of mercilessly. One particular young man comes to mind who, when his last relationship ended, was crushed. He had wanted to marry her, but he really had no idea how to do anything but date and so avoided the topic of marriage. The relationship ended with the young man feeling empty, depressed and confused. Our young men do not know how to initiate commitment, or pursue a woman toward marriage. The cultural message is that this is not a quality valued in a man anymore.

Some may object and say that dating does have a purpose, citing the definition I gave earlier (getting to know each other, etc.). But what does this getting to know each other ever lead to? How long does it actually take to "get to know each other," and if you finally do reach the level of "knowing each other," what then? Usually this aimlessness leads to the dating couple becoming lovers, and many times bringing an unwanted child into the world. Or acting as if they didn’t know sex was procreative and killing the poor baby, calling this the merciful thing to do as we have now deemed the greater tragedy a living child who is unwanted. I hear complaints about the shame and annoyance of unwanted pregnancy without any attempt to address the true cause: irresponsible, unchaste behavior and no boundaries to how men and women ought to be relating to each other. Dating provides no structure for male and female relationships, and our endorsement of this kind of coupling is only enabling the very social ills we complain about.

The above examples lead me to my second problem with dating. Where are the parents? With regard to the college campuses, the answer is easy: nowhere to be found. Year after year parents send their youths off to get an education with no authority figures in sight to bring some kind of restraint to their sons and daughters. In an effort made by our parents to destroy convention another convention has arisen to fill the void – dating, instead of courtship. Dating views each possible eligible (and many times ineligible) person as a mate – not for life, but for right now. I’ve heard it said, "I’m looking for Mr. Right," but this is passé. I have actually heard women say, "I’m looking for Mr. Right now." I’m not fooled. I saw these same girls crying and depressed about being dumped after a one-night-stand.

But permissiveness about dating starts long before college, in junior high and high school. I was amazed at the number of freshman girls who were still virgins in college since at my own high school the talk in the girls’ bathroom indicated that the sexual revolution was alive and well. Any girls who claimed chastity were promptly deemed prude as if they were lepers. So…where are the parents? Well, they are allowing their sons and daughters to date at ages 12 and 14. If the parents are really "uncool" they make the teen wait until age 16. But wait for what? What does age have to do with it if the parents will provide no guidance, no purpose, or responsibility? It’s simply not enough to hear it at their church youth groups from a professional counselor. So off these kids go without parental protection to embark on "getting to know each other," "being in a relationship."

But the real problem with all of this purposelessness and lack of parental control is the false perception of human nature that is the driving forces behind it. Human beings need constraints to guide our behavior. As it is now, we call our weaknesses strengths. We praise our lack of self-control and restraint and call ourselves "liberated." We talk about the innate goodness of mankind and then fail to make good on our promises. "I promise I’ll love you if you’ll just sleep with me." We elevate predatory sexual behavior calling it "playing the field" and say we are following our animal instincts. I have yet to see an animal mate out of anything but an instinctual drive to procreate. As it is, we have sunk lower than the animals since we don’t even want to discuss that sex is procreative anymore. This is dating. "For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools…."(Romans 1: 21-22)

If I have made any kind of case against our current dating practices, I know that was the easy part. The solution is not necessarily obvious, and our current cultural atmosphere simply does not provide any support for a return to old courtship practices. In the past, these practices were the backbone of any community since it was mostly through courtship that new families were begun to become productive members of a community. This simply is not the norm anymore. But, there have been a few of us, disheartened by current practices that have stopped dating altogether in exchange for abstinence, and courtship, and those that are interested in doing so. Just this past weekend, for the second Sunday in a row, I had a teen girl approach me and express a desire to meet with me and talk about alternatives to dating. Some of my friends have begun to forsake the dating scene for a more respectful and less predatory way of interacting with the opposite sex, and are the happier for it. While the effects of the sexual revolution have been devastating, I am seeing a flicker inside the hearts of many youths that indicate they are beginning to desire something more, something deeper, which is a real cause for hope and rejoicing.

I began this article by saying I recently married after a 4-month courtship. This was both a bewildering and exciting experience for Stephen and me as we grappled with the resurrection of a ritual that has long been dead. Leon and Amy Kass define courtship as "to woo with a view toward marriage." I believe our courtship was a success. We avoided the purposelessness of dating by setting boundaries on our time together and made it known that marriage was the overall goal, whether it would be to each other or someone else. We made sure our actions protected each other from the embarrassment and awkwardness of getting too emotionally involved too fast by each having the accountability of our parents and elders in our life. No talk of marriage was made until an actual proposal was given, and there was no kissing until the ring was on my finger, (how exciting that night was!!). We remained physically chaste until our wedding night. I am so thankful that our courtship was a wonderful and memorable process that I will want to share with our children some day, and without all of the embarrassing mishaps and broken promises that a lack of structure and purpose brings.

While I cannot, at this time, give a concrete and historical dissertation on courtship, I can recommend several books that I have read and two that I am currently reading on the subject. Starting with the ones I have read:

Passion and Purity, Quest for Love – both by author Elisabeth Elliot. The first book deals with her own courtship experience with her late husband Jim Elliot, and the latter focuses more on general courtship practices and answers specific questions for how to proceed in our current atmosphere.

I Kissed Dating Goodbye written by Joshua Harris. This is a great book for young adults interested in learning how to pull back from dating.

I am currently reading: Wing to Wing, Oar to Oar written by Amy Kass and Leon Kass. This book is a historical anthology of writings on courtship. I am so excited to have been directed to it by my husband. I am nearly finished reading A Return to Modesty by Wendy Shalit, which addresses the effects on our culture of losing the virtue of modesty, a key aspect of historical courtship.

So, go ahead…stop dating!!! Liberate yourself from the baggage that dating relationships always leave you with. Read up on courtship and enjoy the mystery and excitement that modesty and self-restraint bring.


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To: FoxPro
get emotionally healthy
Hey "chookter" can you please tell me what the he11 this means?

Sure. it means:

"Buy a new motorcycle and some nice guns now that you don't have a screeching harpy to b!tch at you about how she needs more attention and independence, simultaneously, and how you'd have more time to give her attention and money so she could be a career woman if you weren't working or caring for the kids all the time!"

I figured out that for all the money I made in the last 20 years I could have stayed single and had at least a $500 hooker every week and still have a great lifestyle.

I have no kids. I'll get either a $500 hooker every week, or 2 $250 hookers.... I'm not afraid of hell--not after the last 4 years...

Wasn't that Sam Kinison who said: "When I get to hell for fornicating: Satan jumps out with flames and horns and goes: "BLAAAAUUGHAAAUUGH!!!" and when you say "What?",

Satan says: "Oh, You were married and the b!tch broke your heart and took all your stuff, huh? Well, here's your horns and pitchfork... Have fun!"

161 posted on 06/19/2003 2:47:55 PM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (The Guns of Brixton)
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To: ican'tbelieveit
But, as I haven't, neither should you, give up on pursuing things the right way.

That is the he11 of it: There Is no "Right Way" Anymore.....

I do wish I could find a man out there that would court me

I do wish that I could find a woman out there who doesn't have kids or debts or back taxes or a jealous cop boyfriend or a list of ex-lovers longer than the phone book to court....

162 posted on 06/19/2003 2:53:05 PM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (The Guns of Brixton)
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To: opus86
I would argue that God established marriage and it is a holy institution, regardless of the state or the participants.

That is my point--the holiness of marriage is independent of the state or participants--so why get hung up about whether the marriage is ratified by the secular officials?

163 posted on 06/19/2003 2:55:08 PM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (The Guns of Brixton)
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To: supercat
Ping, if you haven't seen this already. :)
164 posted on 06/19/2003 2:58:03 PM PDT by Under the Radar
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To: dubyaismypresident
Thats rich hehehhe LOL
165 posted on 06/19/2003 2:58:45 PM PDT by ColdSteelTalon
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To: chookter
I'm sorry, I thought your argument was that it couldn't be holy if a lesbian wiccan was stamping the certificate.

If it isn't ratified, can it be marriage? What would you propose instead? If I'm not mistaken, in Joseph and Mary's time it was a simple contract (legal document) between Joseph and Mary's father.

You're saying (correct me if I'm wrong), "The state is corrupt and it screws over men in divorce proceedings." I don't disagree, however that doesn't dismiss the need for legal recognition. From my understanding of Scripture I'm not sure you can stand with your beloved and say, "God, we want to be married - please recognize this", then trot off for a week of hot sex in Maui.

(I gotta tell you, that lesbian wiccan with the stamp evokes some frightening images.)
166 posted on 06/19/2003 3:12:00 PM PDT by opus86
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To: chookter
I know exactly how you feel. It is a very hard world right now. I always view that idea of there being no right way anymore in context of what is said about salvation:

Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Matthew 7:14

One day, hopefully you will have the opportunity to produce children of your own with the right woman, and raise them up correctly, so that someone lucky young man or woman will find a perfect life partner in them.
167 posted on 06/19/2003 3:12:20 PM PDT by ican'tbelieveit
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To: opus86
If it isn't ratified, can it be marriage? What would you propose instead?

I'm not sure, but I don't think anyone can say now that the current American system is blessed and reflects a Biblical Marriage.

If I'm not mistaken, in Joseph and Mary's time it was a simple contract (legal document) between Joseph and Mary's father.

Wow, I'd go for that! At least the people who it matters most to are involved!

God cares about your marriage, you care about your marriage, the state profits more by its destruction, yet people argue that the blessing of the state must be secured for it to be blessed by God?

That isn't right....

168 posted on 06/19/2003 3:18:44 PM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (The Guns of Brixton)
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To: chookter
Understood...My point is, marriage has always been some sort of binding, legal agreement. If it isn't binding, ratified, recognized, what is it?

(soapbox on)
Now, please do yourself a favor and think twice before hiring the $500 hookers.
(soapbox off)

I hope things go well for you and that you avoid the losers, psychos, and lesbian wiccan court clerks.
169 posted on 06/19/2003 3:28:06 PM PDT by opus86
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To: chookter
about how she needs more attention and independence, simultaneously

I could never figure this out. My ex never had any capacity for logical thoughts or actions. Everything was based on emotion. I could never figure out how it is possible to do this and survive/function. It seems to disprove evolution.

I had to live with the ex for 6 months after our separation, because I am not paying rent and a mortgage at the same time, I am staying here until the stroke of midnight the day of transference. In the end she would, from time to time, burst out yelling at me screaming "Why don’t you look at me anymore". I would reply "because I aint getting any, Duhhhhhhh", that would really get her going.

At that point she would start throwing stuff at me, my daughter would call the police, and the cops would threaten to throw me in jail. All for not looking at her!

One night they were about ready to cuff me until I pointed out that I was the only one bleeding with bruises. I told them "this is my house, you don’t have a warrant, she is assaulting me, I can deal with that by myself, go away". They left, priceless.

Do you think they would arrest her? No way. And there is no way I would press charges, because I want absolutely NO dealings with the cops. I would rather be beaten than get involved in that way. By the way, I found out that vodka makes the beatings hurt less, but it also makes the head fakes to avoid the projectiles a little more challenging. Sometimes you just have to compromise.

Life is good!

170 posted on 06/19/2003 3:29:46 PM PDT by FoxPro
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To: ColdSteelTalon
Then they arent reading the Bible for that point of view.

So YOU say, but that opinion isn't worth much. It is apparently their interpretation of the Old Testament and similar. They could very well claim greater authority than Christians in that respect. If you want assert some dubious "Christian authority" on the matter, stick to the New Testament.

171 posted on 06/19/2003 3:32:22 PM PDT by tortoise (Would you like to buy some rubber nipples?)
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To: ican'tbelieveit
One day, hopefully you will have the opportunity to produce children of your own with the right woman, and raise them up correctly, so that someone lucky young man or woman will find a perfect life partner in them.

I'm 35 and no prospects... I'm not sure being in my 50's and having teen agers is an appealing prospect--not to mention trying to find a female with nice young eggs at my age. (no point having a flipper-baby if you can avoid it...)

I'm an engineer and bodybuilder--a good provider by muscle or brain--which makes me precisely what neither America nor American women want anymore.

'America' has no use for me because my vote cannot be bought by either party because I don't depend on them...

and American women have no use for me because they don't depend on a provider when the government will provide for them and their offspring.

If I was needy, I would be rewarded by the government with social programs and rewarded by women with affection because they can stomp on me and the government will give them half my stuff....

172 posted on 06/19/2003 3:34:25 PM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (The Guns of Brixton)
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To: opus86
(soapbox on)
Now, please do yourself a favor and think twice before hiring the $500 hookers.
(soapbox off)

You're right--the two $250 hookers might be more fun!

;)

173 posted on 06/19/2003 3:36:02 PM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (The Guns of Brixton)
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To: opus86
I'm not sure you can stand with your beloved and say, "God, we want to be married - please recognize this", then trot off for a week of hot sex in Maui.

Why not. I want this.

174 posted on 06/19/2003 3:37:13 PM PDT by FoxPro
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To: FoxPro
In the end she would, from time to time, burst out yelling at me screaming "Why don’t you look at me anymore". I would reply "because I aint getting any, Duhhhhhhh", that would really get her going.

Yeah! Mine is shacked up with a former friend of mine. I should be p!ssed, but it is the greatest favor anyone has done for me.

She still calls and gets nasty over little stuff and I say: "Hey! I'm not your husband anymore, you don't have to yell at me. I'm just some guy on the phone now."

Changes her behavior completely.

175 posted on 06/19/2003 3:39:35 PM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (The Guns of Brixton)
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To: tortoise
Interestingly, I've had fairly strict religious Jews tell me that non-/pre-marital sex is NOT considered a sin under many circumstances according to their religion. They've always told me that the fixation on total abstinence outside of marriage is something Christians invented, and not a part of its Judaic heritage.

Out of curiosity, suppose that two brothers, one of whom was first-born, got married and the elder brother were to die. Would Jews today consider it mandatory, optional, or improper that the youngest brother should sleep with his elder brother's widow and attempt to impregnate her?

176 posted on 06/19/2003 3:49:09 PM PDT by supercat (TAG--you're it!)
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To: chookter
oh, now, don't say that. First off, women are forever marrying men much older than them. And my 44 yo brother just got remarried, from what I understand, to a very beautiful young woman (i haven't met her).
177 posted on 06/19/2003 3:51:33 PM PDT by ican'tbelieveit
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To: chookter
With a key logger, I found out who her new boyfriend was, and she was really hot for this guy. I got his email address and wrote him a very polite note explaining how she committed adultery with my brother (and to confirm this by asking anybody in the family). I told him that he should keep an eye on his brother and father, because this may be an ongoing tendency, and that if he wanted endless baggage, this was the girl for him.

I know this was very effective, because she spent the whole next day sobbing in the basement. You see, her boyfriend couldn’t tell her why he was breaking up with her; it would be just too awkward, I had figured this would be the case. She never knew what hit her. She didn’t see anybody for a long time after that.

178 posted on 06/19/2003 3:56:29 PM PDT by FoxPro
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To: supercat
My brother screwed my wife, and I wasent even dead yet!
179 posted on 06/19/2003 3:59:06 PM PDT by FoxPro
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To: tortoise
The Bible is pretty clear on every sexual situation I can think of... Some Jews are liberals and interpret the Bible that way. I know one who thinks that any sexual realtion between a man and a woman is OK even outside of marriage.

Sorry but the Bible VERY clear on that one and I stand by it. You might not like what the Bible says but anyone who says that the Bible says that sex outside of marriage is OK then they are a heretic... Jew or Christian and they have traded the truth of God for Lie...
180 posted on 06/19/2003 4:06:36 PM PDT by ColdSteelTalon
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