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To: opus86
I would argue that God established marriage and it is a holy institution, regardless of the state or the participants.

That is my point--the holiness of marriage is independent of the state or participants--so why get hung up about whether the marriage is ratified by the secular officials?

163 posted on 06/19/2003 2:55:08 PM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (The Guns of Brixton)
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To: chookter
I'm sorry, I thought your argument was that it couldn't be holy if a lesbian wiccan was stamping the certificate.

If it isn't ratified, can it be marriage? What would you propose instead? If I'm not mistaken, in Joseph and Mary's time it was a simple contract (legal document) between Joseph and Mary's father.

You're saying (correct me if I'm wrong), "The state is corrupt and it screws over men in divorce proceedings." I don't disagree, however that doesn't dismiss the need for legal recognition. From my understanding of Scripture I'm not sure you can stand with your beloved and say, "God, we want to be married - please recognize this", then trot off for a week of hot sex in Maui.

(I gotta tell you, that lesbian wiccan with the stamp evokes some frightening images.)
166 posted on 06/19/2003 3:12:00 PM PDT by opus86
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