[opus86]

I'm sorry, I thought your argument was that it couldn't be holy if a lesbian wiccan was stamping the certificate.

If it isn't ratified, can it be marriage? What would you propose instead? If I'm not mistaken, in Joseph and Mary's time it was a simple contract (legal document) between Joseph and Mary's father.

You're saying (correct me if I'm wrong), "The state is corrupt and it screws over men in divorce proceedings." I don't disagree, however that doesn't dismiss the need for legal recognition. From my understanding of Scripture I'm not sure you can stand with your beloved and say, "God, we want to be married - please recognize this", then trot off for a week of hot sex in Maui.

(I gotta tell you, that lesbian wiccan with the stamp evokes some frightening images.)

[Cogadh na Sith]

If it isn't ratified, can it be marriage? What would you propose instead?

I'm not sure, but I don't think anyone can say now that the current American system is blessed and reflects a Biblical Marriage.

If I'm not mistaken, in Joseph and Mary's time it was a simple contract (legal document) between Joseph and Mary's father.

Wow, I'd go for that! At least the people who it matters most to are involved!

God cares about your marriage, you care about your marriage, the state profits more by its destruction, yet people argue that the blessing of the state must be secured for it to be blessed by God?

That isn't right....

[FoxPro]

I'm not sure you can stand with your beloved and say, "God, we want to be married - please recognize this", then trot off for a week of hot sex in Maui.

Why not. I want this.