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300,000 M-14s destined for trash pile
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| June 15, 2003
Posted on 06/15/2003 1:13:08 PM PDT by Mini-14
A petition drive is underway to convince lawmakers to "civilianize" hundreds of thousands of M-14 military battle rifles so they can be legally sold by the government to the general public as a way to pay for the Iraq war.
According to the online petition, "there is a strong demand for an M-14 DCM [Director of Civilian Marksmanship] program, which will curb government waste by providing up to $300-600 million [for] deficit reduction."
M-14 |
"With uncertainty of the price tag of the current war, this will help pay for freedoms we enjoy in this country," says the petition. "With the looming war deficit, our government should not throw away hundreds of millions of dollars by destroying M-14 rifles some of which are brand new."
The petition, which is being spearheaded by Robert A. Yoder, says as many as 300,000 rifles could wind up in the scrap heap without the government getting any return on its investment.
The DCM program to save the M-14s could work like a similar program involving another venerable military workhorse, the M-1 (Garand) and M-1 carbine series of military rifles.
M1 Garand |
The DCM sold those through the Civilian Marksmanship Program, a course that promotes firearms safety training and rifle practice for all qualified U.S. citizens with special emphasis on youth.
The Civilian Marksmanship Program also offers for sale AR-15-type match rifles, M1917 Enfields, M1903 bolt-action rifles (a former U.S. military weapon) and .22-caliber target rifles at subsidized rates.
M1903 bolt-action rifle |
"The U.S. Rifle, 7.62 mm, M-14 was the first rifle the U. S. fielded that improved upon the highly regarded U. S. Rifle, Caliber.30, M1 (Garand) and attempted to give U. S. Forces a NATO-standardized weapon," says the online petition. "The M-14 came into active service around 1957 and remained the standard infantry weapon until the official adoption of the M-16 rifle in the late 1960s.
"Like its predecessor, the M-14 is now relegated to ship's arms rooms, ROTC detachments, storage bins in government arsenals and, of late, the demilitarized scrap pile," says the petition.
TOPICS: Government
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; banglist; cmp; firearm; firearms; gun; guns; m14
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To: Tijeras_Slim
I'll take one.
To: Mini-14
Only a truly evil person could destroy a M-14.
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BTTT.
122
posted on
06/16/2003 9:18:40 PM PDT
by
BenR2
((John 3:16: Still True Today.))
To: Ancesthntr
I want an M1A - but they are too expensive now. I really want one also... don't know if I can wait long enough for the price to come down.
The more I think about it, the more I want one.
123
posted on
06/16/2003 9:37:38 PM PDT
by
Mulder
(Live Free or die)
To: Shooter 2.5
I do believe I have seen said video. Just about any projectile will be deflected by debris, brush, even wind gusts. The factor I find most important about the problem of deflection, is how far from the target is the deflection going to take place. As I believe it was you(maybe not)who asks the MOA of deflection; if the MOA is slight, as it could be with a fast, heavy projectile, proximity to the target, even size of the target, may make the risk of deflection well worth the shot in combat. With a semi-auto repeater, the 1st or subsequent rounds may clear the offending brush from the shooting lane. This rather wordy statement being the meaning of the Cadillac vs. the Bug.
Lots of good arguments for the pros and cons of mouse guns(I love my AR-15)vs. a good fast .30 cal like .30-06 SPRG or .308 WIN or even and 8x57 MAUSER. If I had to do the combat gig where potential shots will have risks of deflection from grasses or brush, I might want to carry that M-14 loaded up with 7.62 NATO, as long as I didn't have to climb alot of mountains. It would be nice to know the situation one is facing for the day and have a choice.
I was just watching on the History Channel how during WW2 in the Pacific theater, a particular Marine commander set up a squad with a squad leader, and three groups of three gunmen. The leader was carring a 1911, and each group was armed with a BAR, an M-1 Garrand and a Tommygun. Now that's firepower!
Best bet is to be a good rifleman.
124
posted on
06/16/2003 9:58:42 PM PDT
by
Blue Collar Christian
(I need to keep my .50 BMG so I can stop you when you come to take it. ><>)
To: Shooter 2.5
I do believe I have seen said video. Just about any projectile will be deflected by debris, brush, even wind gusts. The factor I find most important about the problem of deflection, is how far from the target is the deflection going to take place. As I believe it was you(maybe not)who asks the MOA of deflection; if the MOA is slight, as it could be with a fast, heavy projectile, proximity to the target, even size of the target, may make the risk of deflection well worth the shot in combat. With a semi-auto repeater, the 1st or subsequent rounds may clear the offending brush from the shooting lane. This rather wordy statement being the meaning of the Cadillac vs. the Bug.
Lots of good arguments for the pros and cons of mouse guns(I love my AR-15)vs. a good fast .30 cal like .30-06 SPRG or .308 WIN or even and 8x57 MAUSER. If I had to do the combat gig where potential shots will have risks of deflection from grasses or brush, I might want to carry that M-14 loaded up with 7.62 NATO, as long as I didn't have to climb alot of mountains. It would be nice to know the situation one is facing for the day and have a choice.
I was just watching on the History Channel how during WW2 in the Pacific theater, a particular Marine commander set up a squad with a squad leader, and three groups of three gunmen. The leader was carring a 1911, and each group was armed with a BAR, an M-1 Garrand and a Tommygun. Now that's firepower!
Best bet is to be a good rifleman.
125
posted on
06/16/2003 9:59:04 PM PDT
by
Blue Collar Christian
(I need to keep my .50 BMG so I can stop you when you come to take it. ><>)
To: Joe Brower
Sell these weapons to the citizens who paid for them--then use the revenue to care for the veterans who carried them in defense of freedom.
126
posted on
06/16/2003 10:38:42 PM PDT
by
PhilDragoo
(Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
To: Fred Mertz
My last gasp in Uncle Sugars Wind Force was accompanied by a TRW parted M1A with a brookfield mount and the leaupold 16X fixed power ultra to desert shield/storm in 1990/91 and I even got to deploy with my 1911A1 vs the M9 the rest of the units had to bring.
Our EOD teams used the M1A's for a surgical procedure to render safe certain munitions. The acronym was SMUD for small munitions disruption. The M1A and the 1911A1's got a lot of questioning looks from mk 1 mod 0 grunts and wing nuts.
Primo rifles, well made , accurate, effective in all environments and dependable.
Now the very same "type" of rig is my personal truck gun . Stay safe !!
127
posted on
06/17/2003 12:16:06 AM PDT
by
Squantos
(Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscript catapultas habebunt.)
To: Blue Collar Christian
I always thought that our forces should be trained with multiple weapons. I liked the idea of using a M-16 or one of the variants in an area where supply might be difficult and ranges are short.
An AR-10 with the same familiarity would be nice if the ranges are long and supply and transportation is available. The difference was someone objected to the .30 in the AR-10 and suggested a .270 or 6 MM range. I think I can go along with that.
I dearly love the Garands but their days are past. However I do like the idea the M-14's are hanging on. You mentioned the leader carrying a 1911 which may still be a current situation. Instead of the BAR, it would be a SAW, instead of the tommy gun, a MP-5 and instead of the Garands, it would be a M-16 with a 203 launcher on it.
Time marches on.
128
posted on
06/17/2003 6:39:05 AM PDT
by
Shooter 2.5
(Don't punch holes in the lifeboat)
To: Shooter 2.5
Another bump cause I like this idea. M14s to the CMP!
129
posted on
06/17/2003 9:05:02 AM PDT
by
m1911
To: FreePaul
I lucked out when I got one of those "Garands for around $100.00 "
I received a NIB Springfield NM Garand.
To: in the Arena
It does make sense in one instance: MOB Control
If yo fixing to glom onto a new widescreen TV from de mall, yo might jes change yo mind when yo sees de man wif one ob dem M2s on top ob de swat team's Hummer!
[/sarcasm]
{Dialect intended to be PWT}
To: steplock
If you really want to save these M-14 rifles write (with real paper and pen not e-mail) and call your Congress representatives. I doubt this petition will do anything but I signed it.
132
posted on
06/18/2003 6:00:35 PM PDT
by
2nd_Amendment_Defender
("It is when people forget God that tyrants forge their chains." -- Patrick Henry)
To: Mini-14
bttt
133
posted on
07/24/2003 9:38:34 PM PDT
by
Coleus
(God is Pro Life and Straight and gave an innate predisposition for self-preservation and protection)
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