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1 posted on 06/13/2003 6:20:15 PM PDT by blam
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History SPOTREP
2 posted on 06/13/2003 6:30:18 PM PDT by LiteKeeper
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Sounds like academic BS to me. Some prof trying to make a name for herself by bashing Alexander. Anyone who has read Xenophon knows there were extensive Greek colonies in Asia Minor. That was a chief reason for the conflict with the Persians.

Her stupidity is shown by one comment alone:rivals anything in Alexandria from the same period.How could it rival anything from Alexandria at the same period when her thesis is that it pre-dated Alexander and hence the city he founded (Alexandria)? Egypt was Persian territory at the time.

Other than that she suffers from the current academic sickness of placing today's values on anciet people. Ancient Greeks attending "Black and White Balls" (Truman Capote parties)? Give me a break!

So there were some Grecian art works in the Persian empire. That's probably because the Persians, being a race of slaves, didn't produce any decent art. The Persians were rich and could buy what they wanted. It was that wealth that corrupted and eventually destroyed Alexander.

Alexander was great - for his military prowess and conquests alone. His cultural contributions only make him greater. He was, after all, tutored by Aristotle, and for all his faults, it showed.

3 posted on 06/13/2003 6:40:50 PM PDT by Martin Tell
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"There is, as far as we can tell, no boost given to this process by Alexander's conquests,"

These Berzerkley people just can't stand it that sometimes there are positive aspects to war. The Hellenization of the Mid East being one of them. They think that dramatic cultural change can occur through mere visualization of world peace and all that crap.

5 posted on 06/13/2003 6:51:24 PM PDT by P-Marlowe
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Bump read later.
6 posted on 06/13/2003 7:17:08 PM PDT by jokar (There I said it)
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It's curious how some academics manage to get publicity for meaningless theories.
7 posted on 06/13/2003 7:25:49 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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look at the source, berkley. Alexander's success makes him a target for takedown. In the greek port of thesaloniki,greece there is a huge statue of alexander. The museum dedicated to the history of his life.

http://www.kadmos.gr/agora/docs/pd-1855525362.htm

if you read greek, this is an excellent book on the history of Alexander. It also deals with several myths about alexander. (ie Alexander was NOT a homosexual) It is excensivly documented and it even deals with quacks like the above article which try to pervert history. (btw: conqueors often said the conquered leaders were homosexuals. This was used to eliminate the legitimacy of successors. homo have no children. Alexander's son and wife were hunted down and killed. Love letters to her have been documented.)

The cover of the book has the statue. To the lower right of the cover picture are the shields with the groups untied under alexander. Behind is the white tower. It was a originally a cannon tower guarding the port. Later it became a courthouse and jail. The roof was used for executions. (which expains its prior bloody name of red tower)
9 posted on 06/13/2003 7:39:43 PM PDT by longtermmemmory
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What are they going to do - change his name to "Alexander the Mediocre?"
11 posted on 06/13/2003 7:54:05 PM PDT by strela ("Have Word Processor, Will Travel" reads the card of a man ...)
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So what is he to be called now, Alexander the significant?
17 posted on 06/13/2003 8:00:04 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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Let me guess, she'll give some woman or goddess credit for the spread of Greek culture. It's not enough Alexander was gay, he partied and the "professors" thought he was a chick because he was always drunk (no bias in academia there). I'm sure it was some butch Amazonian with one tit who saved Western Civ. and beat down Darius, renaming every city Alexandria all the way to India. And, it was probably some chick from the island of Lesbos who built the lighthouse.

23 posted on 06/13/2003 8:27:40 PM PDT by Porterville (Screw the grammar, full posting ahead.)
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The info on Dor was intersting...kinda get a nrrrrrrrr! on the Alexander/Greek Liberal journey.
I find Alexanders time to be filled with intrigues...like someone else was steering the Wonder Warrior allong in intervals.
The Egyptian visit..his becoming a God..then the "off to Persia" thing.
Have read a few things here and there that hint the Greeks were in cahoots with the Egyptian court..and played him like a fiddle..even fashioned a smooth prophecy thing to get him the hell out of Egypt and on his way.
By the Time Sekuder has bludgeoned his way thru Persia...he seems like a man who has lost vision..who understands he does not fit in back home.
He tries to go home somewhere..but its a death trail on the turn around from the Indus region...as he meets up with way pissed off Persians and others who see a chance to cut this vaunted Army down.

How great was Alexander?..Greek Business says Great,...Cultural crowd says Great...Gov says Great,..but I wonder if the Soldier in his Army thought so on the way back from India.

Alexander...he was a plow for Greece....and the system rolled on easily without him.

24 posted on 06/13/2003 8:28:31 PM PDT by Light Speed
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Tag you're it.
27 posted on 06/13/2003 9:37:19 PM PDT by Valin (Age and deceit beat youth and skill)
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To: sphinx; Toirdhealbheach Beucail; curmudgeonII; roderick; Notforprophet; river rat; csvset; ...
Alexander the (not so) Great ping!!!

If you want on or off the Western Civilization Military History ping list, let me know.
28 posted on 06/13/2003 9:55:13 PM PDT by Sparta (Tagline removed by moderator)
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"Alexander the Mediocre" just doesn't have the same flair...

BTW, he wasn't called "Great" for spreading Hellenism. He was called "Great" for conquering the mighty Persian Empire with a relative handful of troops. Tactically and Strategically the man was brilliant.

31 posted on 06/14/2003 5:05:16 AM PDT by Junior (Better living through chemistry)
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Stewart and his "team" are just seeking publicity and the money from Getty proves it. Any Christian theologian (or Jewish) worth his salt or other classicists can refer anyone to myriad sources that prove that Greek culture spread throughout the western and asian world predating Alexander's exploits. Apparently Stewart hasn't done his homework or has a hidden agenda like many "scholars" do.
32 posted on 06/14/2003 9:05:59 AM PDT by eleni121
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we are challenging the view that it was Alexander who principally spread Greek culture throughout the Middle East.

What view is that? The Greek city-states were weak by the time Philip came along, and Alexander had little problem conquering Greece and then the ME by luck and generalship. Greek culture was all over the region and had been for a long time. Alexander died before he could turn to the west and conquer the Greek colonies in Italy and Spain.

35 posted on 06/15/2003 11:03:19 AM PDT by RightWhale (gazing at shadows)
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40 posted on 06/06/2005 9:57:37 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (FR profiled updated Tuesday, May 10, 2005. Fewer graphics, faster loading.)
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