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The Absurdity of 'Thinking in Language'
the author's site ^ | 1972 | Dallas Willard

Posted on 05/23/2003 3:59:51 PM PDT by unspun

The Absurdity of 'Thinking in Language'
This paper has been read to the University of Southern California philosophy group and the Boston 1972 meeting of the American Philosophical Association, as well as to the Houston meeting of the Southwestern Philosophical Society. Appeared in The Southwestern Journal of Philosophy, IV(1973), pp. 125-132. Numbers in "<>" refer to this journal.

Among the principal assumptions of major portions of philosophy in recent decades have been: (1) That philosophy somehow consists of (some sort of) logic, and (2) that logic is a study of and theory about (some sort of) language. There, of course, follows from these a third assumption: (3) That philosophy is a study of and theory about (some sort of) language--though this implication should not be taken as representing any phase of the historical development of recent philosophizing. Instead of listing these three points as assumptions, it would probably be more correct to regard them as categories or complexes of assumptions; or perhaps, more vaguely still, as 'tendencies' or proclivities of recent philosophical thinking. But precision of these points need not be put in issue here, as this paper does not seek any large-scale resolution of the problem area in question.

The aim here is to examine only one proposition which plays a role in the clearly existent tendencies referred to: Namely, the proposition that we think in or with language. I hope to show, first, that we do not always think in or with language; and then, second, that the very conception of thinking in or with language involves an absurdity. What implications this has for broader philosophical assumptions or tendencies will not be dealt with here, though the implications in question seem to me to be extremely important ones.

That human beings think in language is explicitly stated in such diverse places as ordinary newspapers, the more sophisticated popular magazines and journals, and serious discourse in the humanities and the social sciences, as well as in the technical writings of philosophers. To prove this broad range of consensus would be idle; but, in order to have the philosophical context clearly before us, we may give a few brief quotations. <126> 

     (1) Man, like every living creature, thinks unceasingly, but does not know it: the thinking which becomes conscious of itself is only the smallest part thereof. And, we may say, the worst part:--for this conscious thinking alone is done in words, that is to say, in the symbols for communication, by means of which the origin of consciousness is revealed. (Nietzsche, Joyful Wisdom, sub-sec. # 354)

     (2) Let no one be contemptuous of symbols! A good deal depends upon a practical selection of them. Furthermore, their value is not diminished by the fact that after much practice, we no longer really need to call forth a symbol, we do not need to speak out loud in order to think. The fact remains that we think in words or, when not in words, then in mathematical or other symbols. (Frege, Mind, Vol. 73, p. 156)

     (3) It is misleading then to talk of thinking as of a 'mental activity'. We may say that thinking is essentially the activity of operating with signs. This activity is performed by the hand, when we think by writing; by the mouth and larynx, when we think by speaking; and if we think by imagining signs or pictures, I can give you no agent that thinks. If then you say that in such cases the mind thinks, I would only draw your attention to the fact that you are using a metaphor, that here the mind is an agent in a different sense from that in which the hand can be said to be an agent in writing. (Wittgenstein, Blue Book, pp. 6-7)

     (4) ... The woof and warp of all thought and all research is symbols, and the life of thought and science is the life inherent in symbols; so that it is wrong to say that a good language is important to good thought, merely; for it is of the essence of it. (C. S. Peirce, Collected Papers, II, p. 129)

     (5) Words only matter because words are what we think with. (H. H. Price, Aristotelian Society, Suppl. Vol. XIX, p. 7)

     (6) Theorizing is an activity which most people can and normally do conduct in silence. They articulate in sentences the theories that they construct, but they do not most of the time speak these sentences out loud. They say them to themselves.... Much of our ordinary thinking is conducted in internal monologue or silent soliloquy, usually accompanied by an internal cinematograph-show of visual imagery.... This trick of talking to oneself in silence is acquired neither quickly nor without effort.... (Ryle, Concept of Mind, p. 27. See also pp. 282-83 and 296-97) <127>

     (7)This helps to elucidate the well-known difficulty of thinking without words. Certain kinds of thinking are pieces of intelligent talking to oneself. Consider the way in which I 'thinkingly' wrote the last sentence. I can no more do the 'thinking' part without the talking (or writing) part than a man can do the being graceful part of walking apart from the walking (or some equivalent activity). (J.J.C. Smart, Philosophy and Scientific Realism, p. 89)

These quotations will suffice to establish the context within which philosophers speak of thinking in language (or with language). Many other quotations could be added from the literature.1 It is not assumed here that the persons quoted all occupy the same position with reference to the relationship between thought and language. Yet it would be interesting to see what any of these thinkers, or others who suppose that human beings think in language, could save of their position from the critique which follows.

Uneasiness about the conception of thinking in or with language has been expressed by a number of writers, but only over limited aspects of it.2 Here we shall consider arguments which purport to call the conception into question entirely and in principle. First, consider a reason for rejecting the view that we always think in language. It consists in the fact that thinking often occurs without the production, manipulation, or perception of sense-perceptible signs, without which there is no use of language. Such occurrences often provoke offers of 'A penny for your thoughts.'

Thinking: Whatever we may decide to call them, and however it is that we are conscious of them, there are intentional states of persons, more or less fixed or fleeting, which do not require for their obtaining that what they are about or of be perceived by, or be impinging causally upon, the person involved. In order to think of3 Henry the Eighth, <128> of the first auto one owned, of the Pythagorean theorem, or of the Mississippi River, it is not required that they should disturb my nervous system. Such states (t-states) of persons are often called 'thoughts', especially in contrast with 'perceptions', and being in such a state is one of the things more commonly called 'thinking'. One no more needs to be going through a change of such states in order to be thinking, than he needs to be changing his bodily position in order to be sitting or lying or sleeping. Rarely if ever--as is alleged in the case of mystic contemplation--are these t-states unchanging. Usually they flow, at varying rates, intermingled with person states of many sorts, governed by such transitional structures as inference, goal orientation, objective structures given in perception or in other ways, and elemental association of 'ideas', among others. In what follows, we shall use 'thinking' to cover both the single t-state and the flow of such states, without regard to how intermingled with other person states.

Language: Sense perceptible signs or symbols are an essential constituent of language. It is always false to say that language is present or in use where no signs are present or in use. And, whatever else a sign may be, it is something which is apprehendable via its sensible qualities. That is, it is something which can be either seen, heard, felt, tasted or smelled. Moreover, the use of language requires some level of actual sensuous apprehension of the signs which are in use on the occasion. (Confusion or distortion of this sensuous feedback can render a subject incapable of writing or speaking; and, of course, without perception of the sign-sequences emitted, one cannot understand the person emitting language.)

Now cases can be produced almost at will where thinking occurs without language being present or in use. This, of course, is something which everyone--including the proponent of thinking-in-language--very well knows. It is these cases which, together with the assumption that we always think in language, create what in (7) was called "the well-known difficulty of thinking without words." If, as in (3), "thinking is essentially the activity of operating with signs," then when there are no signs--and when, consequently, the means by which we produce, manipulate, or perceive signs are not functioning--we do have a difficulty. In fact, a difficulty so severe that it amounts to a proof that thinking is not essentially the activity of operating with signs, and that often we think entirely without language. One cannot operate with signs where there are no signs. <129> 

As the above quotations indicate, the most common move made to save 'thinking in language' at this point is the shift to 'silent soliloquy,' as in (6), or to 'pieces of intelligent talking to oneself,' as in (7). These are latter-day shades of John Watson's 'sub-vocal language.' Of course one can talk to oneself or write to onself. But talking and writing to oneself require the production and perception of sensuous signs just as much as talking and writing to another. The realization of this is what drives the thinking-in-language advocate to silent soliloquy or to nonvocal speaking--the written counterpart of which would be invisible writing. That is, they are driven to flat absurdities. A silent soliloquy--that is, silent speaking--is precisely on a par with a silent trumpet solo, for example, or silent thunder. A poet may say:

       Heard melodies are sweet, but those unheard

            Are sweeter; therefore, ye soft pipes, play on;

       Not to the sensual ear, but, more endeared,

            Pipe to the spirit ditties of no tone;...

               (Keats, Ode to a Grecian Urn)

But there are in fact no unhearable melodies, no ears other than the "sensual," no ditties of no tone.

What those who speak of silent discourse have in mind is, no doubt, the fact that interlaced with our thinking of or about things is a great deal of imaging of linguistic entities. (This is especially true of academics or intellectuals in general, because of their great concern with expression of thought. Probably an adequate phenomenology of thinking would exhibit great contrast between them and other classes of persons precisely at the relation between thinking and degree of activity in imaging linguistic entities and events.) But imaging a word is not using a word, any more than imaging a horse is using a horse. Moreover, imaging a word, phrase, or sentence is not producing or perceiving a word, phrase, or sentence any more than imaging a horse is producing or perceiving--or otherwise 'having'--a horse. To image a linguistic sequence is not to have it in a special sort of place--the mind--nor is it to have a special sort of linguistic sequence. To image is to exemplify a certain sort of thinking or intentional state, and a sort which does have interesting relationships with other kinds of thinking. But there is no reason at all to suppose that all kinds of thinking necessarily involve or are accompanied by this kind of thinking (imaging) directed upon language segments. And if there were, it still would not follow that all thinking requires language, since this kind of thinking about language segments is not itself language at all. Nor does it require any <130> language present in order for it to come to pass, since intentional inexistence applies to mental events when language segments are the objects, as well as when sticks and stones and animals are.

Having considered a reason for rejecting the proposition that human beings always think in language, let us now consider whether they ever do. In fact, the difficulty is not, as Smart (above) and others have thought, in seeing how one can think without language, but in seeing how one would think with it. Thinking with or in language must consist in doing something with symbols, and so necessarily involves doing something to them--e.g., producing, altering, or perceiving them. If we would do something with the knife (e.g., cut the bread), we must do something to the knife, (e.g., clasp it in our hands). But, as we have seen, thinking occurs where nothing at all is being done to or with signs, there not being any signs in these cases. The power or act of having or changing t-states--that is, the power or act of thinking--is, then, not a power or act of having or altering linguistic symbols. (It is not, in fact, a power of doing anything with or in anything at all. The profound difference in kinds of powers and acts involved here is what Wittgenstein calls attention to in the last sentence of (3) above.) Thought is, of course, practical, in that it exercises an influence upon, or makes some difference in, the world of sense particulars. But it alone is not capable of acting with the sorts of particulars used in linguistic behavior as its immediate instruments. It is just this incapacity which makes it impossible for the advocates of thinking-in-language to give any account of the mechanisms or the 'how' by which the words in which we, allegedly, think are produced, manipulated, and gotten rid of--though they must be produced (or stored and hauled out), manipulated, and, in some sense, gotten rid of, if we are to think with and in them as our tools or instruments.

Merely to ask the question of how, in detail, this is done in the course of thinking reveals, I believe, the absurdity of 'thinking in language'. Mere thinking can do nothing to signs which might be used in a language, and hence it can do nothing with such signs, or in the act of modifying the conditions of such signs. It is absurd to suppose that one can do x with y without in some way bringing about a change in the condition, state, relations, or properties of y. It is this and only this that I put by saying that it is absurd to suppose that one can do something with y while doing nothing to y.

If it is replied that, of course, the mind or thought does not do these things, but that when we write, speak, hear, see, and otherwise relate to actual words in the actual employment of language, we then are thinking, with bodily parts managing the symbols involved, then it <131> must be pointed out that, while we may indeed also be thinking in such cases, we are not simply thinking. The total event here, to which language certainly is essential, is not thinking. Correct use of language can even occur, as has been pointed out by Wittgenstein, without the occurrence of any peculiarly relevant t-states. On the other hand, thinking does occur without the use of hands, mouth, ears, eyes, fingers in any appropriately relevant manner. Hence, what can only occur by the use of these is not the same as thinking, though it may somehow involve or influence thinking.

Smart remarks in (7) that, when he thinkingly wrote the sentence, "Certain kinds of thinking are pieces of intelligent talking to oneself," he could "no more do the 'thinking' part without the talking (or writing) part than a man can do the being graceful part of walking apart from the walking." This may be true of thinkingly writing the sentence (whatever that means). But it does not follow that one cannot think that certain kinds of thinking are pieces of intelligent talking to oneself without the use of language, though Smart clearly thinks that it does. Of course one cannot thinkingly write without writing. But that is nothing to the point of whether or not we can and do think with or without words. Also, the comparison to graceful walking is not apt. We do, as above shown, sometimes think without words or symbols, while no cases of grace without behavior are known.

Now it is very certainly true that some processes clearly involving thinking as described above depend for their occurrence upon linguistic behavior and the sensible signs which it involves, for example, the processes of learning algebra or the history of the Basques, or learning how to counsel emotionally upset persons. But it is to be noted that these are not themselves processes of thinking, but rather are extremely complex processes involving all kinds of events and entities other than language and other than thinking--e.g., feelings, perceptions, buildings, other persons, days and nights, books, and so on. None of these processes is a process of thinking; and for that reason alone it is invalid to infer from them that thinking is linguistic behavior, or that one thinks with language. What is essential to things or events of a certain sort must be shown essential to them taken by themselves, not in combination with many other things. With reference to the involved processes in question, it might be more appropriate (though it would still be wrong) to say--as some have said in recent years--that we live in or with language. Nevertheless, it is certain that some kind of dependence relation--probably similar to feedback mechanisms--exists between linguistic processes and their sensuous signs, on the one hand, and certain sequences of t-states on the other. What, exactly, this relation <132> of dependence is continues to be veiled by, among other things, a priori assumptions about what thinking and language must be and do. One such assumption is that which holds thinking essentially to be an operation with signs or symbols, or doing something with--or in--linguistic processes or entities.

The view that we (necessarily) think without language is, today, regarded as so outlandish as not to merit serious consideration. But this is not due to a lack of arguments to support it. My object here has been to focus upon certain arguments purporting to show the absurdity of thinking in language. The main points in these arguments are: Thinking does occur without any accompanying language whatsoever, and thus shows itself not to be a power or act of managing linguistic signs, once it is clear what such a sign is. Thinking, as distinct from behavioral processes involving it, can do nothing to signs or symbols, and hence can do nothing with them.


NOTES

  1. See for example, Ramsey's Foundations of Mathematics, p. 138, and Kneale's remarks in Feigl and Sellars, Readings in Philosophical Analysis, p. 42. Return to text.
  2. See S. Morris Engel, "Thought and Language," Dialogue, Vol. 3, 1964, 160-170; Jerome Shaffer, "Recent Work on the Mind-Body Problem," American Philosophical Quarterly, Vol. II, 1965, esp. p. 83; R. Kirk, "Rationality Without Language," Mind, 1967, pp. 369-368; G. Ryle, "A Puzzling Element in the Notion of Thinking," in Studies in the Philosophy of Thought and Action, P. F. Strawson, ed., (Oxford: 1968), pp. 7-23. Interesting remarks on the issues here are also found in Bruce Aune's Knowledge, Mind and Nature, chap. VIII and H. H. Price's Thinking and Experience, Chap. X.  See also Wm. James, "Thought Before Language; A Deaf Mute's Recollections," Mind, Vol. I, 1892; and see Wittgenstein's comments on this in Philosophical Investigations, No. 342. Return to text.
  3. I use only think here, for simplicity; but think that and other structures of such intentional states (and sequences thereof) might also be mentioned. Specifically, I would also wish to hold that instances of thinking that, in the sense of inferring or puzzling something out, occur in the absence of appropriate linguistic entities or activities. Return to text.


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To: betty boop
Well said, unspun. Though not "the stuff of the thought," language (symbolization) is indispensable to analysis and communication of thought.... to analysis in humans of that which is physical and usually for the more complex analysis of that which is spiritual (or attitudinal, if spiritual is a stumbling block for some)... and to communication of thought from human to human at least for, by far, the most part, the rule even if there are any exceptions.
521 posted on 05/26/2003 10:44:02 AM PDT by unspun ("Do everything in love.")
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(How about that statement?)
522 posted on 05/26/2003 10:44:41 AM PDT by unspun ("Do everything in love.")
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To: thinktwice
Thank you so much for your post! Please accept my apology – I was being rudely subtle.

When I said “space/time is part of Creation and is therefore not something in which the Creator exists” I was speaking of God as the Creator. I should have said that and added that He is much more than Creator.

IOW, the Creator cannot be constrained to exist solely within that which He creates. OTOH, the Creation itself can be made of nothing except that which the Creator wills. Therefore, God is transcendent in my view and I know Him to be the God of Judaism and Christianity.

523 posted on 05/26/2003 10:46:48 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl
The Theories of Everything that do not include everything will fall short of a true definition.

I intended the target of that definition to be those who believe that reality can also be the thought itself.

"Mainstream" science is now looking into that possibiltiy (the Copenhagan Theory?), as well. Everything has to be considered and then we can eliminate what doesn't work.

If you have thoughts about building a house and you go ahead and do it, then the thought would be behind the reality, or if you thought about building the house and thought about it as you built it and thought about it after you built it and while you live in it, etc....then one might argue that the reality includes the thought. And maybe not.

524 posted on 05/26/2003 10:47:49 AM PDT by Consort
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To: tortoise
We know what we know AND we recognize that this knowledge only exists within a finite context and therefore we cannot assert true understanding. We can understand finite systems, but to extend ones understanding of a finite system to the universal case is an error in reasoning (a common one it seems).... To put it another way, more people really should understand Bayes theorem and why it applies to them. All the above is really just a restatement of a corollary of reasoning in finite systems: "correct" and "rational" are not required to be the same thing and frequently are not. Many, many regular arguments could be stopped if people understood the difference and why it is important.

Lapidary, tortoise! "correct" and "rational" are not required to be the same thing and frequently are not! Seemingly because we extrapolate from finite experience and reasoning and then apply it "universally." Or at least to systems that are less "finite" than our own. What an elegant way to put the problem.

I'll be sure to look up Bayes theorem. Thank you so much for writing, tortoise!

525 posted on 05/26/2003 10:50:14 AM PDT by betty boop
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To: unspun
So true, unspun. So true. Thanks for the post!
526 posted on 05/26/2003 10:52:59 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Hank Kerchief; Alamo-Girl; betty boop; Consort; donh; Anybody
What do you think?

I think the "second" of your definitions (reality = actual) includes that concepts are what concepts are, etc.

And if you say, "Is their a God? If there is, then reality includes God, else it does not. Is there another realm other than material existence? If there is, reality includes that, else it does not." then you also have to say, "Is there material existence? If there is, reality includes that, else it does not."

I also say that since God has communicated to me and yes He is God, all is as He says and all that is, is in his purvue Thank God He has integrity!

527 posted on 05/26/2003 10:54:35 AM PDT by unspun ("Do everything in love.")
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To: thinktwice; betty boop
I wouldn't recommend the interpretation of reality

Oops, you just did. ;-`

528 posted on 05/26/2003 10:56:49 AM PDT by unspun ("Do everything in love.")
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To: tortoise; betty boop
We can understand finite systems, but to extend ones understanding of a finite system to the universal case is an error in reasoning (a common one it seems).

In mathematics, the method used to extend one's understanding of a finite truth into an infinite, universal truth is called "Proof by induction."

529 posted on 05/26/2003 11:00:10 AM PDT by thinktwice
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To: betty boop; Hank Kerchief; tortoise; unspun; Consort
Thank you both so much for your terrific posts at 514 and 519! You are both speaking directly to the issue that tortoise originally raised in 488 and I sought to bring into context of this discussion, namely when we say “reality” what do we mean and how is it being understood by other posters and lurkers?

As betty boop said:

Concepts aren't pure mirrors, limpidly imaging reality without distortion. They usually carry some "extra weight" of assumption and attitude that is the result of having been formulated by a specific person who sees and experiences the world in the particular way he does.

Hank, you say that you are using the term “reality” in a more abstract form and that perhaps I mean it as a subset:

I have the impression you are using the term reality in the less abstract meaning, to indicate what actually exists. Your examples, to illustrate, seem to indicate not what we mean by reality, but what reality, as an acutality, consists of.

That is my point, Hank – because to your audience there is no difference. If the reader believes that reality consists only of the natural, he will get a totally different upshot than a reader who believes that reality consists of the thoughts themselves, the symbols, etc. Or as tortoise said, each has a finite context.

My purpose is to encourage y’all to pause for a moment and reflect on the word and the audience. You are covering ground of surpassing importance to many and clarity is much appreciated!

530 posted on 05/26/2003 11:09:36 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Dataman
Sorry. I've been involved in the absurdity of darwinian thought threads. There I find language often divorced from thinking.

Yeah, they're always talking about the miraculous designs of evolution. Reality breaks through the cracks.

531 posted on 05/26/2003 11:10:33 AM PDT by unspun ("Do everything in love.")
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To: Alamo-Girl
To accomplish things without thinking would be using instinct, or so it seems.
532 posted on 05/26/2003 11:15:26 AM PDT by Consort
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To: unspun
Knowing reality is knowing what is true and what isn't..

Interpreting perceptions, using reason, leads to knowing truths about reality.

It is knowledge about reality that permits humans to instantly interprete and react to perceptions.

"Interpreting" reality is the stuff of worthless philosophies.

533 posted on 05/26/2003 11:15:28 AM PDT by thinktwice
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To: Billthedrill
But the light bulb really does go out, when you close your refrigerator door. At least there's that.
534 posted on 05/26/2003 11:16:22 AM PDT by unspun ("Do everything in love.")
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To: Roscoe; Billthedrill
Stop spamming yourselves!
535 posted on 05/26/2003 11:17:24 AM PDT by unspun ("Do everything in love.")
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To: Consort
Thank you so much for your post! It seems to me that occurrences without thought are mechanical.
536 posted on 05/26/2003 11:21:58 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: thinktwice; betty boop; Hank Kerchief; Alamo-Girl; tortoise; Consort
Knowing reality is knowing what is true and what isn't.. Interpreting perceptions, using reason, leads to knowing truths about reality. It is knowledge about reality that permits humans to instantly interprete and react to perceptions. "Interpreting" reality is the stuff of worthless philosophies.

Reason is not anything but reason. It's a wonderful privilege, but not to be exaggerated. The present discussion is about how the set {thinktwice's concepts} is limited, therefore inevitably interpretive.

You can know many things about anything, but you cannot know everything about anything.

537 posted on 05/26/2003 11:28:48 AM PDT by unspun ("Do everything in love.")
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To: Alamo-Girl
It seems to me that occurrences without thought are mechanical.

I forgot to mention that I was referring to living things.

538 posted on 05/26/2003 11:30:54 AM PDT by Consort
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To: thinktwice; betty boop; Hank Kerchief; Alamo-Girl; tortoise; Consort
Oops. Please roll the tape back and strike first "anything":

A man can know many things about many things, but he cannot know everything about anything.
539 posted on 05/26/2003 11:33:38 AM PDT by unspun ("Do everything in love.")
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To: betty boop; cornelis; unspun; Alamo-Girl; tortoise; Consort
It's untrue that the concept "doesn't do anything to any aspect of reality."

Except for the fact that our thoughts and knowledge are aspects of reality, and concepts are the means by which we think and know, concepts do nothing else to reality. Concepts only identify aspects of reality, and that is all they do.

When I say, "betty boop is intelligent, patient, thoughful, and little stubborn," I do not mean the word(s) "betty boop" is intelligent, patient, etc. or that my concept of "betty boop" is intelligent, patient, etc., but, that the real person that uses the screen name "betty boop" is intelligent, patient, thoughful, and little stubborn.

When I write "betty boop," I am using it is a term for my concept "betty boop," but that concept means, the actual betty boop, with all the qualities and characteristics betty boop has, and all that I already know about betty boop or will ever know, or could know bet never will. The meaning of the concept is the real and acutal betty boop and everything that is true about betty boop, it means you.

The concept has no other purpose than to identify you, with all the is possible about you, whether anything other than what must be known to identify you is known or not.

(Illustration: The judge asks the witness, "is the guilty person in the court room." The witness answers, "yes." The judge asks, "which person is it." The witness answer, a), "it is Harry Witham," or b) the witness answers by pointing to the guilty party. Harry Witham is a concept used to identify a real existent. I does not more, however, than the pointing finger, and, in actuality that is all a concept ever does.) Concepts aren't pure mirrors, limpidly imaging reality without distortion.

Here is the misconception about what a concept is, no doubt the lingering influence of Plato. Concepts are not mirrors at all, pure or impure. They are not "miniature" pictures, or symbolic representations of anything. I repeat, they are only identifications of real things. (By the way, those real things are not only physical or material entities, they are also events, relationships, and qualities, and aspects of consciousness, and elements of language, such as verbs and prepositions. Certainly you wouldn't use the analogy of a mirror for the concept of a gerund.

The upshot is that the concept and its referrent in the world are not identical things at all.

That is certainly true.

If we regard reality as the test of the true, then one of the pair is "true" (i.e., the "referrent in the world") and the other, an approximation of truth (i.e., the "concept").

That is certainly untrue. Since a concept only identifies a "referrent" in the real world, if there is such a referrant, it is absolutely true, else it is merely a fiction. (Be careful here. Most concepts are not particular concepts, that is, most do not have a single referrant. Most concepts are for classes or categories of referrants.)

To then use the approximation to test the true seems like getting the problem backward. I have no idea what you would use then. If you want to use reality as the test of truth (which we must) we must have some way of identifying things in reality, and concepts are the only way we have of doing that.

But there may be another mistake here. Concepts, all by themselves, are neither true or false. Take the concept, "Santa Claus," for example. Is it true? Well, it is neither true or false until I say something about it. If I say "Santa Claus lives in the blue house at the corner of Main and Maple streets," it is untrue. If I say, "Santa Claus is a fiction used at the Christmas season to entertain children," it is true.

Hank

540 posted on 05/26/2003 11:34:00 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
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