Robert E. Lee Boy Scout Council, Richmond, VA, to be Renamed. More PC for the Boy Scouts...

WRVA Radio ^ | 5/13/03 | VMI70

[VMI70]

This past weekend, my son and I went on his troop's annual father-son hike. His troop is one of many in the Robert E. Lee Council of the Boy Scouts of America, which is headquartered in Richmond, VA.

On Sunday, during the church service at the end of the hike, it was announced that the Council directors had voted to change its name from The Robert E. Lee Council, which has been in use for many decades, to something else.

This morning, the news broke on the local radio station: WRVA 1140 AM, Richmond's Morning News with Jimmy Barrett.

[yonif]

So your saying that "Delaware, District of Columbia, Kentucky, Maryland, Missouri and the New Mexico Territory"
were states that were with the Union in the Civil War, which had slaves, and which were unaffected by the Emancipation Proclamation?

[ConstitutionalConservative]

To: All

Many thanks to all of you who took the bait and allowed Baghdad Bob Nashville Walt to hijack the thread.

259 posted on 05/13/2003 12:24 PM PDT by VMI70 (...but two Wrights made an airplane)
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Yep, I fell into that trap! Hey, give me a break, Im fairly new on here LOL

[yonif]

See post 245, where it lists states that were part of the Union and who still had slaves after the emancipation proclamation.

[ConstitutionalConservative]

"So your saying that "Delaware, District of Columbia, Kentucky, Maryland, Missouri and the New Mexico Territory"
were states that were with the Union in the Civil War, which had slaves, and which were unaffected by the Emancipation
Proclamation?"

Yes, thats correct. Oh, and West Virginia. They became a state during the war

[WhiskeyPapa]

Regardless of what the laws stated at that time, the OATH that REL swore to was to the states (plural) not to the nation.

That's no help. Eleven states wrote secession documents. Twenty Two remained loyal. On what basis could Lee fight for the minority, or figure he had a fig leaf to cover the idea that he was fighting "any opposers whatsover" of the United States?

Walt

[yonif]

Sorry, wasn't meant to you.

[WhiskeyPapa]

Many thanks to all of you who took the bait and allowed Baghdad Bob Nashville Walt to hijack the thread.

Somebody needs to stick up for the actual record besides myself and a few others.

What is amazing is that all this nonsensical defense of treason isn't hooted off the whole site.

I guess enough people just don't care.

Walt

[VMI70]

That's OK...It happened to me early on. Now you know.

It's hard not to get sucked in, but as you can see, he has scads of anecdotal stuff that he must keep ready and waiting on "auto-post".

[WhiskeyPapa]

The cases said that the power rests entirely with the people and not with the states, well the people of the south wanted out. They should have been let leave.

Why should the majority yield to the minority?

Why should the remaining states take on the debt incurred in the name of all?

Walt

[Rytwyng]

When you give the Negro these rights," he [Lincoln] said, "when you put a gun in his hands, it prophesies something more: it foretells that he is to have the full enjoyment of his liberty and his manhood

The reverse is also true... when you take a gun away from a man (of any color), it foretells that he will NOT have full enjoyment of his liberty and manhood. Hmmm....

[WhiskeyPapa]

And if the government says that all your earnings and your children are to be confiscated and you are to be sold into chattel slavery well then so be it because after all, we are bound to the government.

This is exactly what the south was trying to avoid.

Not counting the four million people already in chattel slavery that lived in the south.

Walt

[yonif]

The reverse is also true... when you take a gun away from a man (of any color), it foretells that he will NOT have full enjoyment of his liberty and manhood. Hmmm....

Good find.

[WhiskeyPapa]

[TexConfederate1861]

So did Lee....

[TexConfederate1861]

Boy...how LOW can you go...Robert E. Lee was revered even by his enemies....men such as Joshua Chamberlain, Horace Greeley, and even US Grant.....

Next to Christ, I would consider him the finest human being to have ever walked this earth.


Pitiful for you to insult this man!

[TexConfederate1861]

WLAT:

Why don't you take a loooong walk, off of a short dock, and save us your Southern-Bashing B*LLSH*T......?

You are disgusting!

[Huck]

And if the government says that all your earnings and your children are to be confiscated and you are to be sold I still think if a state decides to leave the union they should have the freedom to do so. Now, instead of having one sub-race being held in slavery we had the entire south held in slavery.

Sub-race?

[Huck]

So did Lee....

I don't know if he did or didn't. My point is that George Washington--a towering collossus--did in fact free his. That puts him--as if there were any question--in much better standing on the question than, say, Thomas Jefferson, who pawned his off to cover debts, or Robert E. Lee, who chose to fight against the USA in defense of an illegal confederation predicated on the perpetutation of slavery. But heck, we all make mistakes. As you judge others, as the saying goes. I am sure General Lee was in many ways a great man. I wish him the best. I'd rather have my troop named after General Washington.

[knak]

I have been told by both of my parents that Robert E. Lee is part of my family. I beleive from my grandfathers side. I have always been proud of that. The boy scouts are losing a lot by doing this. They are becoming quite distasteful.

[Redleg Duke]

"Are you not going to call out the person on this thread who called Sherman a vicious murderer of everyone in his path?"

No. Not any more than I will continue to have this battle of wits with someone who is obviously half-armed. You have gotten the attention you apparently desired. Now go to your room and hyperventilate.