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Oklahoma bombing/Iraq link - Australian article.
The Age ^ | 5/4/03 | Roger Franklin

Posted on 05/03/2003 12:39:06 PM PDT by moyden2000

Oklahoma and the tantalising Iraqi connection May 4 2003 By Roger Franklin

For the first time since the Alfred Murrah Building came down in Oklahoma City in 1995, the recent anniversary of the bombing that killed 168 people passed largely unnoticed in America. There were ceremonies, but the explosion's echo was hard to hear above the sound of Baghdad's toppling statues.

According to investigators, the case was closed with Timothy McVeigh's execution. He was a wacko, the authorised version insists, a right-wing loner. Oklahoma's loose ends have all been tied up; time to move on.

Except in an Oklahoma courtroom, where the families of the dead beg to differ. Last week lawyers representing 24 families of the dead attempted to persuade a dubious judge that McVeigh and his partner, Terry Nichols, were part of a much larger plot. Pick at the loose ends, they say, and the threads lead all the way to Iraq - even, perhaps, to September 11.

Judge Deborah Robinson gave the legal team more time to bolster its argument that McVeigh was working for Saddam Hussein. Yes, she said, a series of coincidences all point to Baghdad, but she couldn't begin to consider billions of dollars in damages on the strength of circumstantial conjecture. Bring me a smoking gun, she said.

Lawyers put a brave face on the ruling. All that was missing, they said, was documentary proof - Iraqi intelligence records of the sort that seem to be turning up almost every day.

For true believers, there is more than enough evidence already. As they see it, the trail begins seconds before the blast, when nine witnesses reported a brown pickup truck speeding from the scene with a man of Middle Eastern appearance at the wheel. Police looked for it until a patrolman radioed the news that he had just handcuffed a young, white male after a routine traffic stop. It was McVeigh, and his arrest ended inquiries into an Iraqi connection.

Except for Jayna Davis, then an Oklahoma City TV reporter. Eight witnesses told her of that pickup's rubber-burning departure. Despite investigators' warnings that Davis was wasting her time and theirs, she kept digging. Her sleuthing became the basis of the relatives' suit.

The dossier begins with the pickup's owner, whom Jayna identified as Hussain Al-Hussaini, a former Republican Guardsman and Iraqi immigrant. She also established that Hussaini's six-man workforce - all former Iraqi soldiers - didn't report to work on the day that McVeigh hired the truck used in the bombing.

Could they have helped mix the fertiliser and diesel fuel - a task the FBI says would have taken one man several days? At the cheap motel where McVeigh had stayed, the owner added weight to her suspicions: not only had he seen McVeigh entertaining Hussaini and other Middle Eastern visitors, they had all fussed with a yellow truck that dripped diesel fuel all over his parking lot.

Then there was "John Doe Number Two", the mysterious co-conspirator for whom the FBI issued an all-points bulletin, only to abandon the hunt several weeks later. John Doe, the G-men announced several weeks later, was actually Terry Nichols.

Davis was sceptical, not least because Doe's identikit picture bore only a slight resemblance to the man in custody but was a close match for Hussaini.

Although officials derided Davis as a crank, she kept ferreting out tantalising links. Nichols was unemployed, yet he flew several times to the Philippines, where he stayed in the same hotel as Ramzi Youssef, the convicted mastermind behind the first attempt to destroy New York's World Trade Centre in 1993 and the nephew of Khalid Mohammed, the al- Qaeda man who oversaw the September 11 attacks.

The relatives' lawyers argue that there is one more reason why the legal system should indulge their theorising. If it were to be explored, they say, the result might unite the Oklahoma bombing, September 11 and the Bush Administration's as-yet-unproven assertions that Saddam worked hand in glove with Osama bin Laden.

Their final link: Shortly before Mohammed Atta flew his hijacked plane into the Twin Towers, he and a fellow terrorist visited Oklahoma. Investigators aren't sure why, but they do know that he stayed in McVeigh's old motel. Could it be that someone in Iraq advised him that the motel had been a safe refuge in the past?

That's the theory, anyway. Now all the plaintiffs have to do is hope that, somewhere in Baghdad, the evidence they need emerges from the rubble.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; US: Oklahoma
KEYWORDS: bombing; iraq; murrah; okcbombing; oklahoma
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1 posted on 05/03/2003 12:39:06 PM PDT by moyden2000
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To: moyden2000
Too bad McVeigh was executed so soon. He might have had a lot to say eventually. Knowing that he had ties to terrorists from Iraq might have given the victims' families more in the long run than the "closure" his execution supposedly gave them.

Isn't Nichols still in prison? Is anyone pressing him for answers?
2 posted on 05/03/2003 12:48:54 PM PDT by Knither
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To: Knither
If any of this is true, I doubt the FBI would be interested in a serious investigation.
3 posted on 05/03/2003 12:53:06 PM PDT by moyden2000
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To: moyden2000
Am I the only one who has never heard this conspiracy theory?
4 posted on 05/03/2003 12:55:27 PM PDT by Mears
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To: Knither
Isn't Nichols still in prison? Is anyone pressing him for answers?

My understanding is that both the Federal judge (Maitsch?) and McVeigh's own
original attorney (Stephen Jones of Enid, OK) thought that McVeigh must have
been part of a larger conspiracy.

I keep an open mind about all this...maybe there was or wasn't a big conspiracy.
But I think Judge Maitsch even opined that McVeigh, in his relation of his part in the crime
never satisfactorily explained how he knew how to build the truck bomb (so it
would detonate and/or be effective) or was able to put together such a large device
by himself (or with Nichols).

I hope that Dubya gets re-elected in 2004...I feel that a sustained sane administration
of the FBI/Dept. Justice is about the only prayer of this ever being fully proved
or dis-proved.
5 posted on 05/03/2003 1:01:05 PM PDT by VOA
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To: moyden2000
I've never doubted from day 1 that the OKC bombing was an Iraqi revenge operation.
6 posted on 05/03/2003 1:01:38 PM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: Mears
I've never heard of it -- except the first day after the bombing, when the mention of Islamic terrorists drew cries from the left of how prejudiced Americans are to immediately suspect the bombing to be the work of militant Islamists. They would never blow up a building in the USA. We all know that.


7 posted on 05/03/2003 1:05:06 PM PDT by Knither
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To: AmericaUnited
Revenge for what? Wasn't it done on the anniversary of Ruby Ridge or something?

It has always seemed impossible that McVeigh built that bomb all on his own. But why would he take his secret with him to the grave?
8 posted on 05/03/2003 1:09:46 PM PDT by Knither
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To: moyden2000
Naw...it was fertilizer mixed by one guy a few thousand pounds of it...never did it absorb any water..while mixing or delivering..
And best of all it took out a concrete and super steel reinforced building designed specifically to withstand an anfo blast...ala the Armstrong bros & the Army Math Research Building at UW Madison Wi. back in 1970
I was about 4 blocks away when that one happend

9 posted on 05/03/2003 1:13:33 PM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: joesnuffy
Naw...it was fertilizer mixed by one guy

Wrong.

Nichols participated in the 'mixing' ...

10 posted on 05/03/2003 1:15:15 PM PDT by _Jim (Guangdong doctor linked as source of SARS in China: http://www.biomedcentral.com/news/20030320/09/)
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To: Knither
It has always seemed impossible that McVeigh built that bomb all on his own.

That's right - Nichols particiapted.

WANT more insight? Read "American Terrorist" ...

11 posted on 05/03/2003 1:16:43 PM PDT by _Jim (Guangdong doctor linked as source of SARS in China: http://www.biomedcentral.com/news/20030320/09/)
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To: joesnuffy
the Army Math Research Building at UW Madison Wi. back in 1970

One guy did that bomb?

12 posted on 05/03/2003 1:17:34 PM PDT by _Jim (Guangdong doctor linked as source of SARS in China: http://www.biomedcentral.com/news/20030320/09/)
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To: moyden2000
Judge Deborah Robinson gave the legal team more time to bolster its argument that McVeigh was working for Saddam Hussein.

Hmmm ... NO phone records

Hmmm ... NO written correspondence

Hmmm ... ONLY ties to Michael Fortier and Terry Nichols ...

.. makes for "no case" with Saddam ....

13 posted on 05/03/2003 1:21:05 PM PDT by _Jim (Guangdong doctor linked as source of SARS in China: http://www.biomedcentral.com/news/20030320/09/)
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To: Knither
Waco - Branch Davidians
14 posted on 05/03/2003 1:22:18 PM PDT by mathluv
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To: Knither
Revenge for what?

"Waco".

He watched McNutty's so-called abortion of a 'documentary' (COUGH COUGH) repeatedly.

HE *EVEN* visited 'Waco' while the standoff was in progress - there are *pictures* of him taken during an interview with a local student (I think) newspaper ...

15 posted on 05/03/2003 1:23:40 PM PDT by _Jim (Guangdong doctor linked as source of SARS in China: http://www.biomedcentral.com/news/20030320/09/)
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To: Knither
I still remember seeing Steve Emerson on the tube after the bombing, saying it had all the hallmarks of a Middle Eastern terrorist attack. Jayna Davis' information is fascinating and very damning if true.

Whatever happened to the hearing on this matter that was supposed to have occurred last October?

16 posted on 05/03/2003 1:26:27 PM PDT by Use It Or Lose It (St. Michael, The Archangel, defend us in battle....")
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To: VOA
Stephen Jones of Enid, OK) thought that McVeigh must have been part of a larger conspiracy.

... and McVeigh thought his own attorney nuts for persuing this.

REPEATEDLY McVeigh told the same story to every one of 'Oklahoma' Jones investigators who questioned him about the 'act' ...

17 posted on 05/03/2003 1:26:27 PM PDT by _Jim (Guangdong doctor linked as source of SARS in China: http://www.biomedcentral.com/news/20030320/09/)
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To: Mears
Am I the only one who has never heard this conspiracy theory?

It's been spread by a number of those who have sort of axe to grind -

- a special grand jury was even conveined to look into the matter, those who had 'pressed' for the grand jury even thought that the government had detonated the explosion ...

18 posted on 05/03/2003 1:30:26 PM PDT by _Jim (Guangdong doctor linked as source of SARS in China: http://www.biomedcentral.com/news/20030320/09/)
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To: _Jim
Isn't it possible that McVeigh's motivation was revenge for Waco (which it was, obviously), but that he was working with Iraqis of different motivation, at the same time?
19 posted on 05/03/2003 1:32:31 PM PDT by Dr. Frank fan
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To: moyden2000
That's the theory, anyway.

MEANWHILE, the court testimony that convicted McVeigh and Nichols tells a FAR different story, a story involving only three people, two of which had direct participation in the bomb preparation and *one* who 'delivered' it ...

20 posted on 05/03/2003 1:32:43 PM PDT by _Jim (Guangdong doctor linked as source of SARS in China: http://www.biomedcentral.com/news/20030320/09/)
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