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1 posted on 05/03/2003 12:39:06 PM PDT by moyden2000
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Too bad McVeigh was executed so soon. He might have had a lot to say eventually. Knowing that he had ties to terrorists from Iraq might have given the victims' families more in the long run than the "closure" his execution supposedly gave them.

Isn't Nichols still in prison? Is anyone pressing him for answers?
2 posted on 05/03/2003 12:48:54 PM PDT by Knither
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Am I the only one who has never heard this conspiracy theory?
4 posted on 05/03/2003 12:55:27 PM PDT by Mears
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I've never doubted from day 1 that the OKC bombing was an Iraqi revenge operation.
6 posted on 05/03/2003 1:01:38 PM PDT by AmericaUnited
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Naw...it was fertilizer mixed by one guy a few thousand pounds of it...never did it absorb any water..while mixing or delivering..
And best of all it took out a concrete and super steel reinforced building designed specifically to withstand an anfo blast...ala the Armstrong bros & the Army Math Research Building at UW Madison Wi. back in 1970
I was about 4 blocks away when that one happend

9 posted on 05/03/2003 1:13:33 PM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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Judge Deborah Robinson gave the legal team more time to bolster its argument that McVeigh was working for Saddam Hussein.

Hmmm ... NO phone records

Hmmm ... NO written correspondence

Hmmm ... ONLY ties to Michael Fortier and Terry Nichols ...

.. makes for "no case" with Saddam ....

13 posted on 05/03/2003 1:21:05 PM PDT by _Jim (Guangdong doctor linked as source of SARS in China: http://www.biomedcentral.com/news/20030320/09/)
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That's the theory, anyway.

MEANWHILE, the court testimony that convicted McVeigh and Nichols tells a FAR different story, a story involving only three people, two of which had direct participation in the bomb preparation and *one* who 'delivered' it ...

20 posted on 05/03/2003 1:32:43 PM PDT by _Jim (Guangdong doctor linked as source of SARS in China: http://www.biomedcentral.com/news/20030320/09/)
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and the threads lead all the way to Iraq - even, perhaps, to September 11.

SO the following 'theories' have at one time been proposed on the basis of wild conjecture and 'wishful' connections:


27 posted on 05/03/2003 1:52:57 PM PDT by _Jim (Guangdong doctor linked as source of SARS in China: http://www.biomedcentral.com/news/20030320/09/)
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Couple of links to more Saddam/Oklahoma City info:

http://www.glennbeck.com/okc/index.htm

http://www.jaynadavis.com/
34 posted on 05/03/2003 2:15:18 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY (((Leftism and lunacy go hand in hand)))
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This story will get a decent pair of legs when Hillary gets a decent pair of legs. ....which is, of course, never.
68 posted on 05/03/2003 10:44:22 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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What were the grounds for the arrest of McViegh by the Trooper. I think he was stopped for no license plate but is that a bookable violation ?
73 posted on 05/03/2003 11:03:46 PM PDT by tubebender (?)
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Nichols defense claims cover-up

By J.D. Cash

MCALESTER - Claiming government misconduct and an outright cover-up by federal and state prosecutors in the Oklahoma City bombing investigation, attorneys for Terry L. Nichols on Monday filed a 90-page motion to dismiss charges in the 161-count mass-murder case.

Monday's defense filing included several hundred pages of supporting exhibits presented under seal, thus unavailable to the public.

In their most direct attack yet on the government's handling of evidence in the case, Nichols' lawyers provided a litany of examples where lawyers said they had to turn to journalists - including this newspaper - to find evidence still hidden by the government, evidence that tends to show convicted bomber Timothy McVeigh was involved with a group of bank bandits operating from a far-right compound in eastern Oklahoma called Elohim City.

"The federal government has withheld critical information from the defense," the motion states, "has sanitized or redacted 302s (witness statements) and has buried other materials in the discovery provided to the defense, all in an effort to mask the connection between Timothy McVeigh and his conspirators."

Nichols says his lawyers were denied critical evidence that a gang the FBI called the Midwest Bank Bandits or Aryan Republican Army assisted McVeigh. The defense contends that Nichols was "framed" by his former friend to shield McVeigh's co-conspirators operating out of Elohim City and elsewhere.

Referring to a series of recent articles by Washington, D.C., Associated Press reporter John Solomon, and materials used in earlier stories copyrighted by this newspaper, "It was only after the disclosures by AP reporter John Soloman and our subsequent review of other federal investigatory files (the federal bank robbery files of Peter Langan, one of the Midwest bank robbers) that we discovered critical exculpatory material buried in the 1B file in the 37 file cabinets in the District Attorney's office."

Hoping to convince District Court Judge Steven Taylor to toss the case out, defense attorneys argued that prosecutors as recently as March 1 claimed they turned over all exculpatory materials.

"This court made it perfectly clear, however, that if that reliance proved to be misplaced, and it was discovered that any exculpatory material had not been disclosed to the defense, the remedy would not be a mistrial, it would be dismissal with prejudice."

"Put bluntly, this Court has been misled. The federal government and state prosecutors have withheld - and continue to withhold - critical information from the defense that shows that Timothy McVeigh was aided by persons other than Terry Nichols in his plot to bomb the Murrah Building."

Film shocker

From details discovered in a Secret Service file on Richard Lee Guthrie Jr., one of the Midwest bank bandits (now deceased) defense lawyers told the court that they discovered references to a video that appears to have captured the bomb truck arriving and individuals exiting, then leaving the scene before the blast. The existence of such a film has never been confirmed before.

"Security video tapes from the area show the truck detonation three minutes and six seconds after the suspects exited the truck," the Secret Service file notes.

The Secret Service document also records that an eyewitness at the scene recalled a woman waving the bomb-laden Ryder truck into a parking place minutes before it exploded.

"ATSAIC McNally noted that this fact is significant due to the fact that the security video shows the Ryder truck pulling up to the federal building and then pausing (7-10 seconds) before resuming into a slot in front of the building. It is speculated that the woman was signaling the truck when a slot became available."

Phone records discovered

Discovered during an inspection at this newspaper by a member of the Nichols defense were critically important phone records the FBI gathered during their investigation into the Midwest bank bandits seven-state bank robbery spree.

Nichols' lawyers say these records are the missing link between the bank bandits and McVeigh at crucial times in the bombing conspiracy.

"It was not until Mr. Earnest (Nichols lawyer) found the attached prepaid telephone calling card account records in Peter Langan's BOMBROB file in Mr. Cash's office that the defense had any idea that some of numbers in the OKBOMB file were connected to the Midwest bank bandits," the motion states.

Referring to an FBI memo the defense only learned of after this newspaper used it in story published Dec. 14, 2003, the motion states:

"This FBI memorandum is a veritable bombshell. It was from the Director of the FBI and it specifically contains the Oklahoma City bombing FBI case number. ... The importance of this memo cannot be understated."

Referring to information in the mption, defense lawyers point out critically important facts such as that McVeigh had a lengthy relationship with someone at Elohim City prior to the bombing and that he called there twice before the blast.

Until now the Department of Justice and the FBI have said they never had any evidence that McVeigh had contacts in Elohim City or called there more than once.

Concerning this memo, the motion states: "It (the memo) unquestionably indicates that the FBI had additional, important information about an unknown "second conspirator" not set forth in the memo. The motion also sets forth a series of references to several witness statements contained in files obtained by this newspaper involving the Midwest bank bandits and their possible links to McVeigh.

The motion points out that the government withheld those items of evidence in spite of orders to turn over any evidence McVeigh may have been involved with others beyond Nichols.

Judge Taylor said he would need at least until Wednesday to consider the material before deciding on whether the case should be dismissed or if there might be another appropriate remedy.

Gazette reporter J.D. Cash has been subpoenaed to testify Wednesday.

Below are the links to this and other related articles.

McCurtain County Oklahoma Daily Gazette
World Net Daily Article
Center For Security Policy.org

83 posted on 04/18/2004 1:48:15 PM PDT by stevareno (May The Truth Be Known!)
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