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Smart Family Hires Entertainment Lawyer
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Posted on 04/07/2003 8:04:25 AM PDT by Hillary's Lovely Legs

Smart Family Hires Entertainment Lawyer

SALT LAKE CITY, April 5, 2003

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Elizabeth Smart with her father, Ed (AP/Deseret News, Tom Smart)

Elizabeth with her parents Lois and Ed (AP Photo/Deseret News, Tom Smart)


(AP) Elizabeth Smart's family has hired a Los Angeles entertainment attorney to help them screen movie and book proposals about Elizabeth's abduction and remarkable return.



Kelly Crabb, who reportedly has negotiated contracts for Paul McCartney, Dave Matthews and Muhammad Ali, was hired a week ago, said Chris Thomas, the family's spokesman.

According to his firm's Web site, Crabb's areas of practice include motion picture, television and other programming production and financing; composer agreements, personal appearances and motion picture distribution.

"These kind of contracts are very specialized," Thomas said.

Crabb received bachelor's and master's degrees from Brigham Young University before earning a law degree from Columbia University in 1984. He also worked for the Salt Lake Organizing Committee.

Elizabeth, now 15, was abducted from her bedroom on the night of June 5. On March 12, she was found in a Salt Lake suburb with her alleged kidnappers.



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To: Hildy
Eva, that just makes just way too much sense. I don't think there are many on this board that are going to buy it. :)

See, this is what is driving me nuts. You folks accusing us who dare speculate on the possibility that poor Elizabeth ran away (same people who pilloried Ricci with no hard facts, ahem) don't seem to get the fact that, if we care about anything, we care about Elizabeth. I want the girl to have as much of a normal life as she can, given what she's been through -- runaway or kidnapping (and of COURSE I don't know for sure!). Watching a TV-movie about yourself is not a normal life. If, indeed, the Smarts are hiring a lawyer so as to make sure the TV movie doesn't traumatize her, okay...I'd rather they make sure NO TV movie gets made, but okay...if they donate all the money they make from the movie/book deals to a children's charity, okay...but show me the proof of *that*. What proof do you have that these people are saints other than the fact that they're well-dressed, relatively well-spoken, affluent, and happen to belong to the same denomination as you? After all, even Laci Peterson's family supported SCOTT Peterson because he was "such a nice guy" -- until they learned that nice on the surface doesn't necessarily mean nice inside.

We ALL want Elizabeth to be okay. We are ALL happy she's home safely. However, some of us are concerned that the girl is now being exploited by her own parents. Some of us are concerned that, perhaps -- *no*, we don't *know*, but we're suspicious -- the Smarts manipulated the media for their own ends. Some of us think that there are signs that LE downgraded this to a runaway case. Now that, we have some proof of, and it's in this thread. Either they were sloppy or they downgraded the case, take your pick.

So we're suspicious. Sue us. We've been flamed over and over by you guys, and we've responded with restraint and as much good manners as possible in the face of mindless invective that is thrown at us.

And what we care about is Elizabeth Smart having a normal life. Maybe some peace and quiet. To insinuate otherwise -- those comments painting us all as some sort of perverted Ritters drooling over 14 year old girls, for example -- is reprehensible, to say the least. It leads me to wonder WHY you are protesting so violently, when we have repeatedly said that we the only thing we are concerned about is the well-being of Elizabeth.

Is it that the only thing *you're* concerned about is the well-being of the PARENTS? OVER the well-being of Elizabeth? Now *that* is wrong. I don't think you *do* think that, but I can't offer any other reason as to why you are so quick to attack those who find the parents' story suspect.

And you wonder why people would wonder if you're a liberal -- it's the complete intolerance of ANY other view than your own! A liberal tradition, and one you're carrying on with great fervor...right here.

If anything, I applaud your spirited defense of Elizabeth, but I just wish you wouldn't jump down the throats of myself and others who have some lingering and problematic questions about this story...I mean, you must realize that your name-calling and knee-jerk reactions are detrimental to the position you are trying to espouse -- it makes it looks like you DO know something we don't, and you're very anxious for us to not find out about it.

I absolutely respect your right to dissent with everything I, and others, say in regards to doubts about this case. I only wish I could impress upon you the importance of being a bit more reasonable in your posts so we could listen to your point of view without having to recoil from potty-mouthed insults.

Thank you for listening...I hope.

621 posted on 04/18/2003 12:50:08 AM PDT by Kip Lange (The Khaki Pants of Freedom)
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To: lakey
one of the tabloids has said that Elizabeth....

The TABLOIDS said....? That is why you believe what you do?

Didn't the tabloids also report that Fidel Castro gave birth to a two headed Bigfoot in a spaceship over Area 51?

622 posted on 04/18/2003 4:43:15 AM PDT by 11th Earl of Mar
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
The Smart's aren't very smart, are they? What kind of naive dimwits let homeless guys into their homes to do work? Hi would like our TV and car too.
623 posted on 04/18/2003 4:50:50 AM PDT by StoneColdTaxHater
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To: Kip Lange
And as far as your 'you guys sound like liberals' remark...

I would make the case that you and others sound like liberals. Many liberals had no problem with Janet Reno's handling of Waco since those inside were 'nutty religious people' and David Koresh was a creep. And they supported the government when Lon Horiuchi shot and killed a wierdo-white seperatist's wife, son and his dog at Ruby Ridge.

In both cases liberals blamed the victims because of their beliefs. And they are doing the same thing in this case because 'something seems to be wrong' with Elizabeth's Mormon family.
624 posted on 04/18/2003 4:52:03 AM PDT by 11th Earl of Mar
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
1. I had a lot of problems with Waco. Janet Reno should be prosecuted for murder.

2. David Koresh *was* a creep, are you debating that?

3. Don't like Ruby Ridge, either.

4. Do you think anyone else is going to majorly differ with me on this? If so, you're dumber than I thought, which is saying a lot.

5. This has nothing to do with her family being Mormon...although you seem to think that's where we're coming from. I will admit I find Mormonism odd. But this has nothing to do with Mormonism, and by playing the religion card, you are taking a CHEAP shot. I don't care WHAT religion the family is; the story reeks. What do I need to do to you to prove it's not about Mormonism? Our country was FOUNDED on freedom of religion.

We are saying you sound like liberals because you are unwilling to listen to ANY dissent from your lock-step lovefest with the Smart family. We don't pretend that we're going to change your minds; we're just trying to explain to you why a person might have questions about this very odd case. *You* are completely closing your mind and hurling completely tangential insults.

This last one is almost complete nonsense. I don't even know why I bothered responding to it. To think that you would automatically assume I supported Janet Reno's actions in the Waco tragedy is absolutely disgusting, and incredibly presumptous on your part.

I guess if you can't debate the issue, change the subject, huh?
625 posted on 04/18/2003 5:11:04 AM PDT by Kip Lange (The Khaki Pants of Freedom)
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
Furthermore, nobody is blaming Elizabeth for anything, and she is the ONLY true victim in this case. Although your credibility in debate is shaping up to be a victim. ;-)
626 posted on 04/18/2003 5:14:08 AM PDT by Kip Lange (The Khaki Pants of Freedom)
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To: Kip Lange
Do you think anyone else is going to majorly differ with me on this?

You can bet that most people on this conservative forum disagree with you on Elizabeth Smart.

And YES, David Koresh was a creep. But if he and his 'wife' kidnapped a young teenage girl, keeping her tied to a tree in the woods for two months, would you also claim that the girl ran away with him?

But you all DO sound a lot like the liberals after Waco/Ruby Ridge. It seems that the Smart's Mormonism and general weirdness is skewing your opinion of this case.

627 posted on 04/18/2003 5:22:23 AM PDT by 11th Earl of Mar
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To: Kip Lange
your credibility in debate is shaping up to be a victim.

And your arguments are based on 'what was reported in the tabloids'?

628 posted on 04/18/2003 5:23:51 AM PDT by 11th Earl of Mar
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
I have never said I am making a reasoned argument. I am speculating. And not from the information in the tabloids (show me the post where I reference a tabloid or information IN a tabloid -- show it to me -- I don't read the tabloids).

I am SPECULATING. Grab a dictionary and look it up. My gut tells me: This story reeks; something's rotten. That's the sum total of my "knowledge". I have a right to my opinion.

Now, where are you getting all your *facts*, which you insist you have? Mr. Smart himself? I have never asserted I am doing anything but speculating; you have insisted you are speaking the capital-T truth and flaming a lot of us harshly in the process for daring to commit the thought crime that the poor girl might have run away. So where are *your* facts? I'm not trying to prove anything -- just openly speculate without being flamed and tarred as some kind of Reno-loving Mormon-hater.

Do you have anything better in your rhetorical arsenal than ignoring what people say, flaming people with REALLY lame insults (to which they don't respond), calling people bigots, whatnot?

It is glaringly obvious that you have some kind of agenda here. I do not. I am merely trying to speculate in peace. This, apparently, is a crime punishable by death in your very odd little world.

Why...are you so *defensive*, friend, if all the facts back you up, and I'm purely speculating, and have admitted it multiple times? ;-)

You are VERY silly. :-)
629 posted on 04/18/2003 5:41:30 AM PDT by Kip Lange (The Khaki Pants of Freedom)
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To: bonfire
I figured this as soon as she was found. They are a strange bunch of kooks.
630 posted on 04/18/2003 5:41:52 AM PDT by oldironsides
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To: Kip Lange
Here is where I got some of my information.

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Elizabeth Smart Well Hidden In Mitchell’s Mountain Hideout

The camp where Elizabeth Smart was held for months

The structure was well hidden and designed to be nearly invisible from the air even with high-tech detection equipment.
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For weeks Elizabeth Smart was held in a camp in the mountains about three miles from her home. You've seen the view from the air, now we want to show you what this area looks like from ground.

Rod Decker hiked to the makeshift hideout where Elizabeth spent all that time.

What you can tell from the lean-to is that Brian Mitchell put a lot of work and planning into his alleged scheme to kidnap Elizabeth Smart.

The lean-to is dug into the mountainside and covered with brush. You can see the trees all around and you can see the brush on the roof. The lean-to is hard to spot until you're right on top of it.

To start with, Mitchell dug a trench in the hillside about six feet deep. He put up posts to hold the roof. He wrapped the feet of his posts in plastic and duct tape to keep them from rotting. He made careful cuts in the uprights to fit them to his roof beams. He used smaller branches for roofing.

On top of the roof, he put several layers of plastic sheeting and then a plastic ground cloth to keep it dry.

Even Friday with the melting snow, it was dry inside. It's not too comfortable. I don't think I'd want to spend more than a day in here, Decker said.

Elizabeth Smart was kept here weeks, at times; her leg was chained to one of the poles.

Helicopters flew over these canyons searching with infrared equipment. Mitchell and the two women were dug into the ground with a roof over them, so the their body heat didn't show up.

Food and building materials had to be carried in and a nearby spring supplied water.

Searchers came up the canyon. Elizabeth Smart thought she heard their voices. But she was chained in the hideout, 150 yards up that gulch and they couldn't see her for the trees.

Officials suspect the structure took weeks to build, and was carefully designed to avoid detection. It explains how she was so close, yet was never spotted by hundreds of searchers.

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So do you read story like this and assume that Elizabeth ran away and set this whole thing up?

631 posted on 04/18/2003 5:55:05 AM PDT by 11th Earl of Mar
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Here's another story:

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Mitchell May Have Planned to Kidnap Girl in California

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One suspect in the Elizabeth Smart abduction may have planned another kidnapping in California. Brian Mitchell is suspected of plotting to kidnap another young girl in San Diego.

Thursday, the girl's father talked about his contact with Mitchell. Brian Mullahy has more.

Mitchell came to Virl Kemp's LDS ward in California one Sunday. He had shed his robe, for blue jeans and a plaid shirt put his beard and long hair in ponytails.

Mitchell, the former Mormon, it's said, acted like an outsider, interested in investigating the faith.

Kemp thought he'd oblige so he invited Mitchell over for lunch, with two full-time LDS missionaries. They talked religion and ate chicken, pork chops and apple cake.

Kemp says his 12-year-old daughter wasn't home at the time.

"She never saw him. She was away for the weekend. When she was here I don't know if he saw her or not," said Virl Kemp.

Now Mitchell's wife, Wanda Barzee, has told investigators Mitchell went back to the Kemp house, to kidnap the girl.


When he got there, the door was locked and he took that as a sign he was not meant to take the girl, investigators said.

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Kemp says his 12-year-old daughter wasn't home at the time.

"She never saw him. She was away for the weekend. When she was here I don't know if he saw her or not," said Virl Kemp.

Now Mitchell's wife, Wanda Barzee, has told investigators Mitchell went back to the Kemp house, to kidnap the girl.

I thought I would repeat that sentence in case you missed it and also started accusing this girl of wanting to run away with Mitchell.

632 posted on 04/18/2003 6:01:01 AM PDT by 11th Earl of Mar
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
How many times do I need to say this: I AM SPECULATING. The story reeks. Here, look at a quote from your own OLD news source, which I read when it was new.

Officials suspect the structure took weeks to build, and was carefully designed to avoid detection. It explains how she was so close, yet was never spotted by hundreds of searchers.

I would add it CONVENIENTLY explains why she was so close yet never spotted. Was it soundproofed as well? So a street bum knows how to build a shack that will withstand thermal imagery, eh? Interesting. Very convenient, too.

And even in the own news story you reference:

What you can tell from the lean-to is that Brian Mitchell put a lot of work and planning into his alleged scheme to kidnap Elizabeth Smart.

Maybe you need to look up "alleged", too?

Needless to say, have I ever said she didn't hide out in a shack? No. I just think she RAN AWAY to the shack. Of her own volition. And I said I *think*. I don't know. Neither does this article, since it doesn't address that issue.

Did you ever hear me say Mitchell is NOT a slimebag?

My gut says this story reeks. No, I don't read stories like this and think, "Oh, this reeks." I listened to the Smart's press conferences and read the transcripts later in detail. THAT's what reeks.

Truly, this is a "wonderful story", indeed, how could I find a comment like that out of place...

You haven't answered my question. Why are you so defensive when I am admitting I am simply speculating? :-)

Now, I have to go do some work, so I guess you'll just have to wait for someone else to come along who doesn't believe that Ed Smart walks on water to get all this pent-up defensive anger outta yerself. ;-)

The story reeks. Stinks. To high heaven. It is *rotten*. This is speculation by me. All I ask is that you consider my opinion, and, if you disagree, do so respectfully, as I have been TRYING to do with you.

You really do sound like a liberal. You won't open your mind a crack; you seem to merely want to provoke me into some sort of emotional response. It's not going to happen. Throw whatever touchy-feely pieces you want at me: THE STORY STILL STINKS. Do I have hard facts to back it up? No, and I must have said this fifteen thousand times at this point.

Do you work for the U.N. or something? ;-)

Anyway, like I said, I gotta run, but it has been a pleasure watching you refuse to exchange views with me, and I'm sure you'll find someone else you can stomp, yell, screech at and generally flame soon.

Again...I just wonder why you're so defensive about this. Methinks you doth protest a bit too much. Which makes me even more suspicious of your motives on this thread.

Have a good day. It's been completely unenlightening, but very silly, and I've gotten more than a few chuckles out of your thrashing about. :-) Keep at it, it's fun to watch.

633 posted on 04/18/2003 6:16:01 AM PDT by Kip Lange (The Khaki Pants of Freedom)
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
>Now Mitchell's wife, Wanda Barzee, has told investigators Mitchell went back to the Kemp house, to kidnap the girl.

I thought I would repeat that sentence in case you missed it and also started accusing this girl of wanting to run away with Mitchell.

Oh, my my my. I'm sure this doesn't have ANYTHING to do with Mitchell's wife wanting to cut a deal to avoid jail time. ;-) Nah, that NEVER happens...silly me. :p

I leave you with this:

Bwhaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah you are so frickin' biased it really, truly, is funny -- and it's obvious you have some kind of agenda, too.

Now, if you would, go back and read me saying, 80 million times over, that I am SPECULATING.

Maybe you don't OWN a dictionary. I'll post the definition for you later, Mr. Blix. ;-) In the meantime, I *really* need to go do productive things, and arguing with a brick wall does not fall under "productive". ;-)

Have a good day, you silly, silly person. And thanks for the laughs, it's made the workday ahead of me look much more tolerable. :-)

634 posted on 04/18/2003 6:24:28 AM PDT by Kip Lange (The Khaki Pants of Freedom)
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To: Kip Lange
You haven't answered my question. Why are you so defensive

I am not defensive. I am just disgusted by people like you.

For you to believe that Elizabeth coincidentally ran away with a man who was in the process of trying to kidnap teen age girls is pretty far-fetched.

So answer my question... If Mitchell was successful in kidnnapping Smart's cousin, or the California girl, would you be "speculating" here that these three girls also "ran away" with him?

635 posted on 04/18/2003 6:31:07 AM PDT by 11th Earl of Mar
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
You seem to be quite fascinated with rape and child molestation- is there perhaps something about you that we shold know?

Your comments paint a mental picture for me of a heavy drinker, living in a broken-down trailer house with a couple of wrecked cars out in the patch of gravel that you call a yard- busily downloading porn off he Internet when not making hit-and-run attacks on people with IQ's at least 50 points higher than yours who happen to disagree with you about a not-very-important (but phony) news story.<p. Have a nice life!

636 posted on 04/18/2003 6:35:31 AM PDT by RANGERAIRBORNE
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To: Kip Lange
you are so frickin' biased ..... [and] I am SPECULATING

I am basing my opinion on the known facts. And you are speculating based on your own prejudgments. Who is the biased one?

If you have evidence suggesting that Wanda is making up the other story to avoid jail time, please provide it. Otherwise, we will assume it is your bias.

637 posted on 04/18/2003 6:36:47 AM PDT by 11th Earl of Mar
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To: Kip Lange
"I believe she was confused, ran away, was taken advantage of by loathsome people, now she's back home, being taken advantage of by only slightly less loathsome people."

That is PRECISELY what I believe- very well put, succinct and accurate.

638 posted on 04/18/2003 6:38:26 AM PDT by RANGERAIRBORNE
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To: RANGERAIRBORNE
You claim that a teenage girl ran away with a homeless man and resist the widely accepted notion that she was kidnapped.

Does this suggest any secret sexual desires on your part? Methinks Freud would have a field day with you.
639 posted on 04/18/2003 6:41:52 AM PDT by 11th Earl of Mar
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
ROTFLMAO! You can't even come up with something ORIGINAL for an insult.

What a moron you must be.

Sorry, but I also have work to do- I've wasted enough time with you.

640 posted on 04/18/2003 6:55:02 AM PDT by RANGERAIRBORNE
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