POW Family Denies Daughter Shot, Stabbed

Associated Press | Thursday, April 3, 2003 | By ALLISON BARKER

[JohnHuang2]

POW Family Denies Daughter Shot, Stabbed

By ALLISON BARKER .c The Associated Press

PALESTINE, W.Va. (AP) - The father of rescued POW Army Pfc. Jessica Lynch said Thursday that she was in great spirits following her first surgery and denied reports she was shot and stabbed during her captivity in Iraq.

``We have heard and seen reports that she had multiple gunshot wounds and a knife stabbing. The doctor has not seen any of this,'' Gregory Lynch Sr. said.

[skeeter]

I betting she is feeling no pain and is heavily sedated.

The story reads as though Mr Lynch got his info from the doctor, not his daughter.

[Spunky]

"She has two broken legs and one broken arm.she may have been tortured."

She very likely was tortured but some news reports say she broke her legs and arm falling off the truck.

I think we all have pretty much learned you can't trust a thing that comes from news services when it is a 24 hour a day thing.

We need to wait for the truth but the problem is it takes to long and the news media then won't give it to us.

[pyx]

but I'm still hoping like hell that PFC Lynch took some of those dogs out, and I think it kicks ass that we went in there and got her

Me too. Hopefully she took out a few Iraqi cockroaches. That definately would be icing on the cake. I also agree that going in and getting her out is a major boost for moral. (Although my concern is the expenditure of resources spread thin in the theatre and if any other rescues could be made.)

[usmcobra]

"The father of rescued POW Army Pfc. Jessica Lynch said Thursday that she was in great spirits following her first surgery and denied reports she was shot and stabbed during her captivity in Iraq."

The article sounds ambiguous to me, as if the author wants the reader to come to certain conclusions.

Look the war might be over shortly, and there could understandably be a bit of backpedaling to cover the Iraqi people from shall we say a bit of embrassment.

[skeeter]

``We have heard and seen reports that she had multiple gunshot wounds and a knife stabbing.The doctor has not seen any of this,'' Gregory Lynch Sr. said.

This is the sentence I was referring to. Seems pretty straightforward.

As to your second point, those who would spin events of the past would be wasting their time, as most of us understand the Iraqi people for the most part ceased being responsible for the actions of this regime and its supporters years ago.

[Erasmus]

In addition to breaking both of her legs and an arm, her captors evedentally treated her pretty roughly.

I hope we make it a point to find them.

I presume that at least some of those responsible are among the wet smudges the spec ops left on the hospital walls.

[VMI70]

She is in the army. Her right to privacy ends at the point where it will affect the mission and the overall well being of her fellow servicemen. Her being rescued has nothing to do with it.

Mabel-I did not see anything about their torture. Could you please point me to the thread?
As I recall, there were two women captured in GW I. One of them publically said that she was raped, the other did not, but at the time it was generally assumed that she was.

My feeling is that no woman should have been put in a position where something as horrible as that could happen to them. It infuriates me beyond comprehension.
Howeber, in order to take measures to prevent it, it must be known. I don't like it anymore than anybody else, but there is a bigger consideration here.

[usmcobra]

There have been a number of reports where US officials stated she was shot, So what is the truth?

Think of the spin as a way to sooth the arab street, there is a huge male ego on it, so it's not just a way to save the Iraqis further embarassment, and it makes perfect sense. Six monthes or a year from now quietly the truth may come out,It's a political ploy and The female POWs during the first Gulf war followed the same type of plan. They didn't speak out about their abuses and injuries until the world had returned to normal.

[skeeter]

Well, for what its worth ABC is reporting that the Pentagon is refusing to comment on the story of Jessica's capture put out by "officials". I guess we'll find out whats what soon enough.

[usmcobra]

http://www.defendamerica.mil/articles/apr2003/a040303d.html

Someone better tell The Marines what the story is supposed to be, They don't seem to have the latest version.

[A2J]

What is the harm, given that the truth eventually be known -- or not?

So, you see no harm in people embracing a lie (should it be proven so)?

Maybe there's no hope for us after all.

[Catspaw]

She is in the army. Her right to privacy ends at the point where it will affect the mission and the overall well being of her fellow servicemen. Her being rescued has nothing to do with it.

Really? Is your right to privacy determined by someone else? And why is it up to you to decide whether she's waived her right to privacy by being in the Army?

[PoisedWoman]

at another hospital soldiers had found bloodied female soldiers' uniforms, names removed. Sounds bad, too.

Oh dear. Where did you read that? I've been praying like mad for Shoshana Johnson, the black prisoner shown on TV...I felt that I was connecting to her in spirit, but not in the last couple of days.

[VMI70]

Have you ever been in the service?

[Catspaw]

Have you? Can you show me the form or cite in which someone in the Armed Forces waives his or her right to privacy? Can you show me the legal cite in which someone posting to a website can waive a right to privacy for someone else?

Take your time.

[cherry]

"She has been painted in a light different and far more brilliant from every other soldier who has died or has been injured simply because she is a woman.'

do you remember the American pilot who was shot down in Bosnia, and hide out for some time and then was able to signal the Americans who then came and rescued him....was it Scott OGrady?

I remember then that there were folks on FR who criticized him for being shot down, etc etc...

this it the same old crap....

women do seem to be treated differantly...every thing this girl had done or endured is being questioned....You wouldn't do it if this was a guy..

I can't understand the venom that people have towards this girl........maybe its just envy....

[VMI70]

To my question:

Have you ever been in the service?

You replied:

Have you?

As a matter of fact, I have. 3 years, from August 1968-July 1971.

From the way you answered my question with a question, I will assume that you have not. Not having been in uniform, you are understandably trying to correlate the civilian justice system with the military system. Let me be the first to tell you: They don't correlate.

"Can you show me the form or cite [sic] in which someone in the Armed Forces waives his or her right to privacy?"

The service is a much different world from the one you're used to. As a matter of fact, one does sign away many rights upon entering the service. The service has its own set of laws, codified in the UCMJ (Uniform Code of Military justice), and the laws contained therein do not place a lot of emphasis on one's "rights".

Since there is no "right to privacy" anywhere in the US Constitution, except by broadly interpreting the Fourth Amendment (Search and Seizure), there is no "right to privacy" to waive.

In the military there is no expected privacy. For example, any officer or non commissioned officer can walk into the soldiers barracks and go through every single personal possession he owns. He can do it whenever he wants. Whether or not the owner is present is of no concern or consequence. That's just one example to illustrate the difference in the two systems.
It has to be that way, otherwise there would be chaos. In the military, chaos is not what you need.

So to answer your rather fatuous question directly: No, I can't show you a form or citation (which is what I think you meant to write), but go get yourself a copy of the UCMJ and the US Army Regulations. It's all in there in painstaking detail.

"Can you show me the legal cite [sic] in which someone posting to a website can waive a right to privacy for someone else?"

Sorry, I don't understand the question, nor can I understand it's relationship to privacy in the military.

[Joe Hadenuf]

Hmmmmmm....

[Catspaw]

Ah, I see (in 1968, my daughter was 3 and I had just experienced two miscarriages that year).

But you have no actual cite that would allow you, for example, to waive Pfc. Jessica Lynch's privacy rights for her.

Thanks. I figured you couldn't.