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Word is made flesh as God reveals himself... as a fish
The Observer (U.K.) ^ | 03/16/03 | Edward Helmore

Posted on 03/15/2003 5:11:19 PM PST by Pokey78

An obscure Jewish sect in New York has been gripped in awe by what it believes to be a mystical visitation by a 20lb carp that was heard shouting in Hebrew, in what many Jews worldwide are hailing as a modern miracle.

Many of the 7,000-member Skver sect of Hasidim in New Square, 30 miles north of Manhattan, believe God has revealed himself in fish form.

According to two fish-cutters at the New Square Fish Market, the carp was about to be slaughtered and made into gefilte fish for Sabbath dinner when it suddenly began shouting apocalyptic warnings in Hebrew.

Many believe the carp was channelling the troubled soul of a revered community elder who recently died; others say it was God. The only witnesses to the mystical show were Zalmen Rosen, a 57-year-old Hasid with 11 children, and his co-worker, Luis Nivelo. They say that on 28 January at 4pm they were about to club the carp on the head when it began yelling.

Nivelo, a Gentile who does not understand Hebrew, was so shocked at the sight of a fish talking in any language that he fell over. He ran into the front of the store screaming: 'It's the Devil! The Devil is here!' Then the shop owner heard it shouting warnings and commands too.

'It said "Tzaruch shemirah" and "Hasof bah",' he told the New York Times, 'which essentially means that everyone needs to account for themselves because the end is near.'

The animated carp commanded Rosen to pray and study the Torah. Rosen tried to kill the fish but injured himself. It was finally butchered by Nivelo and sold.

However, word spread far and wide and Nivelo complains he has been plagued by phone calls from as far away as London and Israel. The story has since been amplified by repetition and some now believe the fish's outburst was a warning about the dangers of the impending war in Iraq.

Some say they fear the born-again President Bush believes he is preparing the world for the Second Coming of Christ, and war in Iraq is just the opening salvo in the battle of Armageddon.

Local resident Abraham Spitz said: 'Two men do not dream the same dream. It is very rare that God reminds people he exists in this modern world. But when he does, you cannot ignore it.'

Others in New Square discount the apocalyptic reading altogether and suggest the notion of a talking fish is as fictional as Tony Soprano's talking-fish dream in an episode of The Sopranos .

Stand-up comedians have already incorporated the carp into their comedy routines at weddings. One gefilte company has considered changing it's slogan to: 'Our fish speaks for itself.'

Still, the shouting carp corresponds with the belief of some Hasidic sects that righteous people can be reincarnated as fish. They say that Nivelo may have been selected because he is not Jewish, but a weary Nivelo told the New York Times : 'I wish I never said anything about it. I'm getting so many calls every day, I've stopped answering. Israel, London, Miami, Brooklyn. They all want to hear about the talking fish.'

A devout Christian, he still thinks the carp was the Devil. 'I don't believe any of this Jewish stuff. But I heard that fish talk.'

He's grown tired of the whole thing. 'It's just a big headache for me,' he added. 'I pull my phone out of the wall at night. I don't sleep and I've lost weight.'


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Israel; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: afish; afishnamedbrian; calledgefilte; crevolist; hooklineandsinker
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1 posted on 03/15/2003 5:11:19 PM PST by Pokey78
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To: Pokey78
The animated carp commanded Rosen to pray and study the Torah. Rosen tried to kill the fish but injured himself. It was finally butchered by Nivelo and sold.

Brings to mind something about a prophet being without honor is him homeland.
2 posted on 03/15/2003 5:15:32 PM PST by TomGuy
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To: Pokey78; Wrigley; RnMomof7; CCWoody; xzins; JesseShurun
Carp?
Sure this isn't dyslexic and the "a" and "r" are reversed?
3 posted on 03/15/2003 5:16:48 PM PST by drstevej
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To: Pokey78
There are just some weeks when The Onion will have a hard time keeping up with the world!
4 posted on 03/15/2003 5:19:04 PM PST by JoeSchem
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To: Pokey78
I think someone was watching that singing bass after smoking a bit too much whacky tobaccy.
5 posted on 03/15/2003 5:19:19 PM PST by Young Rhino
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To: Pokey78
I bought one of those for my kid's a couple of christmas's ago....

Mine sang songs though.....Nothing about end of the world....

Sigh....

Now my kid's will want one of these talking "end of the world" fish....

We'll no sense carping about it...the little shrimps won't get it.....It would probably cost me a fin....not to mention, they would probably miss school and clam up....

Of course, I could get them one, just for the Hal-i-but....

NeverGore :^)
6 posted on 03/15/2003 5:20:43 PM PST by nevergore (Stupid is as stupid does....)
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To: nevergore
ROFL!
7 posted on 03/15/2003 5:22:03 PM PST by smokeyjon
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To: Young Rhino
New Square?? Hillary?? Talking Fish??? That explains it!!!
8 posted on 03/15/2003 5:22:36 PM PST by Sacajaweau (Hillary: Constitutional Scholar! NOT)
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To: Pokey78
Koi vey!
9 posted on 03/15/2003 5:22:45 PM PST by tophat9000
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To: Pokey78
The animated carp commanded Rosen to pray and study the Torah.

Any carp that tells me that, bud, I'm putting on a yamuka
and heading for the synagogue.
10 posted on 03/15/2003 5:23:39 PM PST by tet68 (Jeremiah 51:24 ..."..Before your eyes I will repay Babylon for all the wrong they have done in Zion")
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11 posted on 03/15/2003 5:24:29 PM PST by Pokey78
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To: nevergore
I'd reply but I've got a haddock.
If I had a haddock, I'd take some calomel.
Ooo, I'd walk a mile for a calomel.
12 posted on 03/15/2003 5:25:37 PM PST by tet68 (Jeremiah 51:24 ..."..Before your eyes I will repay Babylon for all the wrong they have done in Zion")
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To: tet68
Let's see if the palestinians take the bait
13 posted on 03/15/2003 5:29:31 PM PST by ladyesk
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To: Pokey78
According to two fish-cutters at the New Square Fish Market, the carp was about to be slaughtered and made into gefilte fish for Sabbath dinner when it suddenly began shouting apocalyptic warnings in Hebrew.

New Square is the orthodox town where everyone voted for Hillary after her husband pardoned someone from the town. It figures they would think a talking fish is the voice of God.

14 posted on 03/15/2003 5:30:13 PM PST by I still care
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To: TomGuy
"The animated carp commanded Rosen to pray and study the Torah. Rosen tried to kill the fish but injured himself. It was finally butchered by Nivelo and sold."

I find it strange that anyone would try to kill something they thought was God. Not a good move business-wise either. What would a hebrew speaking carp be worth on the lecture circuit??

15 posted on 03/15/2003 5:31:19 PM PST by lstanle
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To: Pokey78
Just as long as it doesn't start singing "Don't Worry - Be Happy"
16 posted on 03/15/2003 5:34:08 PM PST by PMCarey
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To: Pokey78
"An obscure Jewish sect in New York has been gripped in awe by what it believes to be a mystical visitation by a 20lb carp that was heard shouting in Hebrew, in what many Jews worldwide are hailing as a modern miracle."

Whats the miracle? New York has a 200lb (?) talking Ass trying to convert millions into believing government has all the answers!!!

17 posted on 03/15/2003 5:35:04 PM PST by Dacus943
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To: nevergore
I'm sorry but I have to say it - they'd rather believe in a talking fish than Jesus Christ?
18 posted on 03/15/2003 5:36:08 PM PST by Sabatier
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To: Pokey78
Once again satire and reality have a head on collision.
19 posted on 03/15/2003 5:37:43 PM PST by Fzob (Why does this tag line keep showing up?)
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To: Pokey78
Smile! You're on Candid Camera.
20 posted on 03/15/2003 5:38:25 PM PST by KillTime
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