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Law Professor urges UN to invade USA? Could U.N. use military force on U.S.?
www.worldnetdaily.com ^ | march 15,2003 | Art Moore

Posted on 03/15/2003 10:46:05 AM PST by longtermmemmory

By Art Moore © 2003 WorldNetDaily.com

Could the U.N. use military force to prevent the United States and Britain from waging war on Iraq without a Security Council mandate?

United Nations headquarters in New York

Some anti-war groups are urging the world body to invoke a little-known convention that allows the General Assembly to step in when the Security Council is at an impasse in the face of a "threat to the peace, breach of the peace or act of aggression."

The willingness by the U.S. and Britain to go to war with Iraq without Security Council authorization is the kind of threat the U.N. had in mind when it passed Resolution 377 in 1950, said Michael Ratner, president of the Center for Constitutional Rights, a human-rights group in New York City.

In a position paper, Ratner wrote that by invoking the resolution, called "Uniting for Peace," the "General Assembly can meet within 24 hours to consider such a matter, and can recommend collective measures to U.N. members including the use of armed forces to 'maintain or restore international peace and security.'"

The U.N. taking military action against the U.S.?

"It would be very difficult to say what that means," said Ratner in an interview with WorldNetDaily, emphasizing that he did not believe the situation would evolve to that "extreme."

"I don't consider that within the framework I'm talking about," he said.

Shonna Carter, a publicist for Ratner's group, said she believed it would be legitimate for the U.N. to use military force to stop "U.S. aggression."

"But I doubt it would happen," she said. "I don't think that as part of Uniting for Peace they would include military action, but that would have to be something those countries agreed on. …"

Steve Sawyer, spokesman for Greenpeace in New Zealand – which has joined Ratner's group in the campaign – told WND he was not aware of the U.N. being able to use force under any circumstances.

Ratner explained that Resolution 377 would enable the General Assembly to declare that the U.S. cannot take military action against Iraq without the explicit authority of the Security Council. The assembly also could mandate that the inspection regime be allowed to "complete its work."

"It seems unlikely that the United States and Britain would ignore such a measure," Ratner said in his paper. "A vote by the majority of countries in the world, particularly if it were almost unanimous, would make the unilateral rush to war more difficult."

Uniting for Peace can be invoked either by seven members of the Security Council or by a majority of the members of the General Assembly, he said.

'Ways to make U.N. more important'

Ratner, who also teaches at the Columbia University Law School, told WND that the idea of invoking the resolution "came up when I started thinking about the fact that we could get into a situation where the U.S. may go to war without a Security Council resolution or with a veto."

He had two of his students at the law school research the resolution and now has sent out the word to every U.N. mission in New York.

In addition, about 12 missions a day are being visited by campaigners, he said, and the response has been generally very positive.

He expects there to be support from the 116 countries in the non-aligned movement, who are "already saying inspectors should be given more time."

Greenpeace's involvement has greatly expanded the campaign's reach, he said, since "we're just a small human-rights litigation organization."

"I've done a lot of work with international law and with the U.N.," he said, "and we're always interested in figuring out ways to make the U.N. more important."

Sedition?

A circular e-mail letter promoting the campaign said in the first paragraph that "if Iraq is invaded, it would empower the General Assembly to restore peace, including an authorization to use military action to accomplish this, if necessary."

The letter includes Ratner's name and e-mail address as a contact, but he says he did not send out that particular version, which included the line about the U.N. using military action.

A political science professor at the University of Michigan who forwarded the letter to colleagues, added a note above the text, obtained by WND, that said: "Below you will find an excellent and urgently needed proposal for stopping the war before it starts from the Center for Constitutional Rights. …"

"Please make this major peace action a high priority and forward this message to others," said Susan Wright, who indicated she is with the university's Institute for Research on Women and Gender.

Is Wright essentially urging foreign countries to be willing to take military action against her own country?

"I wouldn't say it's necessarily sedition," said Ratner. "Advocacy is one thing, having the means to carry it out is another. It's not something I would ever recommend."

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Art Moore is a news editor with WorldNetDaily.com.


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Constitution/Conservatism; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: americantraitors; bush; counsel; international; invasion; iraq; kofi; law; nations; security; un; united; war
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To: longtermmemmory
"Could the U.N. use military force to prevent the United States and Britain from waging war on Iraq without a Security Council mandate?"

Where is the UN going to get the TROOPS from?? While this IS a legitimate worry, because they could call on their buddies the dictators - like Hussein, Castro, Jiang or Hu and Kim - to use WMD on us, the UN would otherwise be effectively calling for the US military, the British military and the Austrailian military to stage a coup against their respective governments.

Ain't gonna happen.

China.....would be met with ultimate use of counter force, and the regime knows it well.

121 posted on 03/15/2003 1:25:48 PM PST by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = VERY expensive, very SCRATCHY toilet paper.)
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To: Mr. Mojo
The democrat party left is really saying:

the RUSH (limbaugh) to war...
122 posted on 03/15/2003 1:28:26 PM PST by longtermmemmory
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To: longtermmemmory
Get US out of UN!
123 posted on 03/15/2003 1:29:55 PM PST by johnfl61
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To: longtermmemmory
And I wonder how many microseconds the UN's command and control center on the East side of Manhattan would remain operational if they ever tried such a thing?
124 posted on 03/15/2003 1:30:36 PM PST by Stefan Stackhouse
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To: Grampa Dave
Thanks Buddy. That is just perfect for this thread.

Nam Vet

125 posted on 03/15/2003 1:31:26 PM PST by Nam Vet (TAG!!......You're it!)
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To: rednek
Your post is funny, and reminds me of the 80? year old guy from Ohio? that was "disarmed" in Israel a few months ago. When asked why he had a gun, he said he was hunting for Osama.
126 posted on 03/15/2003 1:34:04 PM PST by e_engineer
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To: longtermmemmory
"Its too bad we over 35 can't join. I would seriously think about joining right now."

We don't need to join - or rejoin. If the UN were to attempt such an ill advised thing as to authorize force on the United States, not only would active US forces rebel, but there would be AMPLE use for the skills of us oldtimers. No matter how old you are, if you still remember the skill....the left has no concept what they are dealing with.

127 posted on 03/15/2003 1:35:24 PM PST by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = VERY expensive, very SCRATCHY toilet paper.)
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To: Grampa Dave; M Kehoe
As you wish...

What started as idle talk, between G'Pa, myself and a lot of others, last summer. Has blossomed into a two state billboard campaign and what looks to be real change in AZ enviral policy. Or at the very least people are becoming aware which I think is the first step.

Without FR and the people that populate it regularly this wouldn't have happened.

128 posted on 03/15/2003 1:36:51 PM PST by EBUCK (FIRE!....rounds downrange! http://www.azfire.org)
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To: tbpiper
Just remember, not every gun owner is a hunter. The number of hunting licenses is extremely low compared to the number of weapons at the U.S. citizens' disposal.
129 posted on 03/15/2003 1:37:33 PM PST by TommyDale
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To: longtermmemmory
Correction of an ommission : I'd like to know not only where they'd get the TROOPS for such a thing....WHERE WOULD THEY GET THE MONEY TO PAY FOR IT??
130 posted on 03/15/2003 1:37:46 PM PST by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = VERY expensive, very SCRATCHY toilet paper.)
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To: Nam Vet
My Pleasure! Thanks for your service!

Any UN member or country crazy enough to invade America would have their hands full just with you Nam Vets.

Then, they would also have to deal with those of us so called Cold War Vets on both sides of the Nam War.

Then, all the guys and gals who served in Desert Storm I and since then would be there.

This UN invade America BS, just shows the typical left wing lunatic professor's diseased mind trying to work. Between decades of drug damage and sexually transmitted diseases, most of them are mentally short of a full load.

131 posted on 03/15/2003 1:40:42 PM PST by Grampa Dave (Stamp out Freepathons! Stop being a Freep Loader! Become a monthly donor!)
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To: cake_crumb
The idea is that they would even THINK about this as a possibility. They would negotiate a weak president into accepting the troops. The french leading an new EU army would arrive with joy.

Is this likely, no. Would the general assembly want to go on record, no. BUT it is a fact that there are Law Professors teaching this as LAW in AMERICAN law schools. It is a fact that the leftists do NOT HAVE A PROBLEM with the USA being taken over.

They would tax the USA to pay for its own invasion.
132 posted on 03/15/2003 1:42:07 PM PST by longtermmemmory
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To: cake_crumb
Correction of an ommission : I'd like to know not only where they'd get the TROOPS for such a thing....WHERE WOULD THEY GET THE MONEY TO PAY FOR IT??

The troops, African conscripts loyal to the french and the 1 billion strong Muslim population. The money...well that's simple, international trade taxes levied at a time of "great crisis" on the world...just the excuse they are looking for in order to take it all.

One small problem, mentioned a few times before...90 million armed Americans and Nukes o-pleanty!

133 posted on 03/15/2003 1:44:07 PM PST by EBUCK (FIRE!....rounds downrange! http://www.azfire.org)
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To: scouse
Michael Ratner... Is he any relation to that well known ultra leftist; Ellen Ratner; that ubiquitous talking head whose face carries enough Botox to wipe out the whole of sub-Saharan Africa?

Not to mention her brother whose name I think was Bruce, another Ratner who was involved in something a while back, but unfortunately I'm not getting any hits when I do a search for him.

But there was something, maybe to do with a 911 memorial, just can't remember at the moment.

134 posted on 03/15/2003 1:45:34 PM PST by texasbluebell
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To: David1
So this is another Ratner sibling? Well, they certainly are consistently subversive in that family!
135 posted on 03/15/2003 1:47:04 PM PST by texasbluebell
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To: EBUCK; M Kehoe
This is a real prime example of what can happen when Freepers get going as you commented earlier on.

Ebuck took a simple discussion made some bumper stickers and then got a billboard up in the Medford, Oregon area last year.

Now that has evolved into his latest billboard in Arizona.

One can only imagine, if we had about 250,000 active Freepers donating their time, talent and $5/month of their treasure to Free Republic each month, the damage we could do the left wingers, enviralists, communists, islamofacists and just a$$hole professors like this one.


136 posted on 03/15/2003 1:47:51 PM PST by Grampa Dave (Stamp out Freepathons! Stop being a Freep Loader! Become a monthly donor!)
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To: longtermmemmory
Ratner, who also teaches at the Columbia University Law School, told WND that the idea of invoking the resolution "came up when I started thinking about the fact that we could get into a situation where the U.S. may go to war without a Security Council resolution or with a veto."

What is he talking about? The UN authorized the 91 Gulf War. It temporarily ended with a cease fire, with Saddam given 15 days to disarm. Since Saddam never disarmed, the cease fire is over anytime we want it to be--all 100% legal under the UN.

Iraq's failure to comply with UN resolutions and to stop threatening Kuwait make it a fully legal target under both the UN and international law.

Since 1991, the UN has repeatedly authorized the disarming of Iraq and last fall the US Congress gave Bush the authorization to take whatever measures were needed to disarm Saddam.

Of the hundreds of wars since the UN Charter was adopted, only 3 wars (I think Korea, the Gulf War, and Afghanistan) have more solid legal authorization from the UN than this one starting soon at a theatre near Baghdad.

Ratner is not doing a very good job explaining international law to his students.

137 posted on 03/15/2003 1:49:35 PM PST by FreedomFlyer
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To: scouse; David1
Okay, here's what it was with the other Ratner, Bruce.

Bankroller of Bogus Firefighter Statue Tied to Clintons

138 posted on 03/15/2003 1:49:59 PM PST by texasbluebell
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To: longtermmemmory
no no no no, this is something WE should hope for.
If the UN is SOOOOOOO stupid as to try this, well, either:
1. They'll produce a paper tiger, further demonstrating the absolute irrelevance and impotence of the UN
or
2. They'll TRY to use military duress and learn immediately just how impotent they really are.

I'd call that a win-win for America, wouldn't you?
139 posted on 03/15/2003 1:51:53 PM PST by demosthenes the elder (scum will never cease to be scum - why must that be explained to anyone?)
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To: demosthenes the elder
nnoooo it would be a mouse that roared situation. The loosing nations would then be rebuilt by US taxpayers. Best bet start adding states. GRADUALLY.
140 posted on 03/15/2003 2:00:34 PM PST by longtermmemmory
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