Fears that US will use 'torture lite' on al-Qaida No 3

The Guardian (U.K.) ^ | 03/05/03 | Duncan Campbell

[habs4ever]

Just who is afraid that the thumbscrews are being used on KSM? What is there to fear? If anyone deserves it, it will be him.He will be interrogated, tried by military tribunal, then hanged.

[speedy]

Better get that flame-retardant suit out. Not much sympathy for Al-Qaeda -- not alleged Al-Qaeda, but obvious Al-Qaeda -- in these parts. There are lots of lives hanging in the balance with this guy.

[Viva Le Dissention]

Sounds like you and the Rock would make a great team, talking about exporting our criminals in order to extract a confession through torture.

Hey, that's great. That's our Constitution hard at work. Keep it up.

So, I guess if you're ever arrested because you fit the description of a murderer, you don't have a problem with the police using torture to extract a confession? You've got no problem with that?

[Viva Le Dissention]

Yeah, I despise the guy myself, but the more despicable the crime, the more important it is that we ensure the procedural safeguards are operating correctly.

[Dr. Frank fan]

Well, you see, in America, we have this thing called a criminal justice system, and in this criminal justice system, we have a lot of standards, like that people are innocent until proven guilty, they have due process rights, etc.

That's fascinating. What's it got to do with war?

Now, I know out current president likes to ignore a lot of these really inconvenient things when he wants to execute some people,

What a lie. Who's he "executed"? 1. You can't mention Texas because death row inmates in Texas were, technically, executed by juries down there. 2. You can't mention people killed overseas in war. (It's a war.)

but there are some of us that would really rather prefer that we were ever to get arrested, we wouldn't be tortured (even tortured "lite"--sleep deprivation is a very powerful tool) in order to extract a confession-

1. This guy isn't being "arrested" (except perhaps by Pakistani police for violating some Pakistan law). He's a wartime enemy. 2. The "torture lite", if that's what's being done, is not to extract a "confession", but to obtain information which could help future attacks.

I presume you are in favor of preventing future attacks.

A confession under torture is VERY effective for something like that. We might as well just go ahead bring back the Star Chamber for our "war" on terrorism. I think that would make a lot of you folks happy.

This may be partially due to the fact that you don't really understand what is going on here. We are at war. There are no quotation marks. And we don't care about this guy's "confession". We are at war and he is an enemy.

[guitfiddlist]

First of all, your bleeding heart is staining all the rugs in the room. Second, please explain how the US Constitution applies to a Kuwaiti captured and held by Pakistani forces? Eh?

That dispenses with your other irrelevant points.

[NotJustAnotherPrettyFace]

Instruments of Torture: Medieval to Modern

Time to bring back "the rack"?!

[Objective Reality]

I'd have a never-ending fountain of liquified pork raining gently all over him, 24-7.

[Tennessean4Bush]

ROTFLMAO! Good one.

BTW, notice this?

"The arrest of a few individuals from within al-Qaida's ranks will have no bearing on the organisation's functioning," Mr Wali said. "Representatives of al-Qaida and the Taliban keep their communications going, but that doesn't mean we are likely to snitch on each other."

Dream on Mr. Wali. Just keep reciting it until you believe it. Whatever helps you get by, buddy.

[habs4ever]

KSM is an enemy combatant and thus not eligible to the niceities of a system that dealt with John Wayne Gacy.He will be tried by a military tribunal and I can sorta bet that the evidence will prove him guilty and he will be hanged.So much for a Star Chamber.

The Romanians sure got over their qualms about swift and summary justice for Nikki Ceau and his lovely bride.No muss, no fuss, and no second thoughts.

You, though, should eat more prunes.

[Dr. Frank fan]

So, I guess if you're ever arrested because you fit the description of a murderer, you don't have a problem with the police using torture to extract a confession? You've got no problem with that?

"Arrested"? "Police"?

You still don't seem to get it. We are at war. How can you be unaware of this?

[Maximum Leader]

I was hoping Torture lite involved a police issue Mag Lite

[A CA Guy]

Use Streisand recordings on him. He'll tell all before going totally mad!

[RummyChick]

O'reilly is for torturing the dude not based on what they did on 911 but to prevent another 911.
I think Hannity is against torture
I dont really know where I stand on the issue. I dont think I want us to stoop to the level of Hitler or the Vietnamese in terms of torture but then I don't want another 911.

[LaraCroft]

Our 'current' president? Youre joking, aren't you.. please Dear God say youre joking?

You meant to say that the rat bastard Former President Clinton broke every rule there was for personal gain, didn't you? You meant to say that Clinton raped, stole, lied, theived and subjegated, didn't you?

Please, dear Lord, don't let there be people so stupid as to really authentically believe this....

[marvlus]

Qari Abdul Wali, a Taliban military commander in hiding near the Afghan town of Spin Boldak, told Reuters that al-Qaida would remain intact despite the arrest.

Big talk from a guy in hiding!!

[glf]

we are in a war not a criminal proceeding. when the nukes go off will you post the same bullshit ??

[Viva Le Dissention]

It's a war, huh? Funny, I must have slept through that day when Congress declared war.

Oh, but it's LIKE a war, right? So is the "war on drugs" like a war enough that we can disregard the Constitutional safeguards against wrongful imprisonment? The Bill of Rights carefully deals with rights during "times of War." I don't see a reason they should be disregarded now.

[Chu Gary]

Gasp, OH NO, they aren't going to let him have crumpets with his tea...how absolutely primitive!

[US_MilitaryRules]

What ever happen to him, he deserves it. As for the pasifists, WHO cares! Cry me a river.