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To: Viva Le Dissention
Well, you see, in America, we have this thing called a criminal justice system, and in this criminal justice system, we have a lot of standards, like that people are innocent until proven guilty, they have due process rights, etc.

That's fascinating. What's it got to do with war?

Now, I know out current president likes to ignore a lot of these really inconvenient things when he wants to execute some people,

What a lie. Who's he "executed"? 1. You can't mention Texas because death row inmates in Texas were, technically, executed by juries down there. 2. You can't mention people killed overseas in war. (It's a war.)

but there are some of us that would really rather prefer that we were ever to get arrested, we wouldn't be tortured (even tortured "lite"--sleep deprivation is a very powerful tool) in order to extract a confession-

1. This guy isn't being "arrested" (except perhaps by Pakistani police for violating some Pakistan law). He's a wartime enemy. 2. The "torture lite", if that's what's being done, is not to extract a "confession", but to obtain information which could help future attacks.

I presume you are in favor of preventing future attacks.

A confession under torture is VERY effective for something like that. We might as well just go ahead bring back the Star Chamber for our "war" on terrorism. I think that would make a lot of you folks happy.

This may be partially due to the fact that you don't really understand what is going on here. We are at war. There are no quotation marks. And we don't care about this guy's "confession". We are at war and he is an enemy.

25 posted on 03/04/2003 8:02:21 PM PST by Dr. Frank fan
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To: Dr. Frank
It's a war, huh? Funny, I must have slept through that day when Congress declared war.

Oh, but it's LIKE a war, right? So is the "war on drugs" like a war enough that we can disregard the Constitutional safeguards against wrongful imprisonment? The Bill of Rights carefully deals with rights during "times of War." I don't see a reason they should be disregarded now.
38 posted on 03/04/2003 8:09:03 PM PST by Viva Le Dissention
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