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The Future is Muslim, European or American
Town Hall ^ | February 25, 2003 | Dennis Prager

Posted on 03/02/2003 1:18:31 PM PST by yonif

The world's future is being decided at this time.

Such moments are extremely rare in history. And when they have occurred, they have between two, not three, competing ideologies.

But there are now three ideologies competing to shape the future of mankind. They are militant Islam, Western European secularism and socialism, and American Judeo-Christianity and capitalism. The first is being spread both peacefully and violently, the second is being spread peacefully, and the third is not being spread.

Though most people ignore the fact, almost all of the world's believing Muslims believe that all of mankind should be Muslim. This, in and of itself, is not troubling -- after all, most Christians would like the whole world to be Christian, and most Westerners would like the whole world to democratic. What is troubling is that if only 10 percent of these Muslims are prepared to use violence to impose their religion on others, we are talking about 100 million people.

This is the reason about one million non-Muslim Sudanese have been killed in the last 15 years -- because they are resisting the violent imposition of Islam by the Islamic government in Khartoum. This is the reason for the Muslim-Christian violence in Nigeria -- Christians there, too, are resisting the violent imposition of Islam. And this is the reason for Islamic terror -- to weaken those countries, particularly the United States and Israel, that stand in the way of an Islamic takeover.

The second ideology seeking to dominate the world is secularism and socialism as practiced in Western Europe and supported by educated elites around the world. This is a primary reason for the anti-American demonstrations in Western Europe and in the United States. They were far more against America (especially the America of George W. Bush) than they were against war. Most of these people could not care less about the wars of the world. They have been silent throughout the mass murder of Sudan's blacks, during the genocide in Rwanda, during China's crushing of Tibet, and during Saddam's wars against Iran, Kuwait and Iraq's own Kurds. American and European "peace" activists have found those atrocities and wars quite boring.

Western European socialists and their American (and Canadian, and Latin American) supporters are as passionate about secularism and socialism as believing Muslims are about Islam. And they want to dominate the world as much as militant Muslims want Islam to. Their vehicles are the United Nations, the European Union, international treaties such as the Kyoto Protocols, and international institutions such as the International Court.

Regarding the American way, there are serious impediments to its success.

First, while the first two ideologies -- Islam and socialism/secularism -- dominate many countries, the third ideology only dominates one -- America. There is no other country that claims to be Judeo-Christian and no other that has such strong support for capitalism and small government (the opposite of socialism). Therefore, while both the militant Muslims and the socialists/secularists have supporters around the world, American values have few. That is why America goes it alone -- with the partial exceptions of Israel and Britain, no other society has the same values as we do.

Second, neither Judeo-Christian nor capitalist values are secure in America. Many Americans, including almost its entire intellectual class, are as hostile to Judeo-Christian and non-socialist values as the militant Muslims and European socialists are.

Third, almost no one is teaching the next generation of Americans (as almost no one taught the present adult generation) what is unique, let alone superior, about American values. Our children are overwhelmingly educated by people who believe in Europe's values, not in ours.

As neither China nor the rest of Asia, nor Africa, nor Latin America are offering an ideology that can dominate the world, either Europe's, or the militant Muslims', or America's way of life will prevail.

But the American way can only prevail if Americans believe in it. That is why, as important as the military and ideological battles against militant Islam are, the most important battle is the ideological one within America. But with America's universities, unions, professional associations, mainstream news media, and one of its two major parties ideologically aligned with Europe, and with big businesses constantly undermining Judeo-Christian values, the battle within America itself for America's unique values is far from won. And given that only America offers a viable alternative to both militant Islam and secularism/socialism, if we lose the battle here, humanity has a very dark future.


TOPICS: Editorial; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; Israel; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: american; clashofcivilizatio; european; future; geopolitics; islam; islamonazi; muslim; waronterrorism
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To: yonif
Though most people ignore the fact, almost all of the world's believing Muslims believe that all of mankind should be Muslim.

Hmm, that could be considered an understatement.
      Islam's worldview - The Muslims of Islamic states, and many within the USA, have the tradition of a worldview that divides humanity into two opposing halves.

    Dar al-Islam, House of Islam, is the zone where Islam rules.   The other side is the war zone that is called, Dar el Harb, House of War.   This worldview dictates that war will continue between these two sections of humanity until the supremacy of Islam is fully established throughout the earth.     FR Thread ~ Information on the "Religion of Peace"


21 posted on 03/02/2003 2:03:22 PM PST by GirlShortstop
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To: yonif
More than 90 percent of the worlds conflicts are between muslims and other muslims or muslims and non-muslims. However, Bush has so far successfully brainwashed Americans into believing that Islam means peace. It's going to be very difficult to win a war against an enemy that is not properly defined.

Today Muslims represent 1/5th of the worlds population. However, more than 1/4 of the worlds chidren are muslim. Does anybody know what a horrible future awaits the world when more than 1/4 of the worlds population is muslim. Look at the trouble we have today. Imagine what a nightmare the future will bring.

Western Europe imports 80 percent of their oil from the middle east. Western Europe doesn't sneeze without first getting permission from the arab oil shieks. Other than that, Western Europe has become more ammoral than they were prior to the advent of Christianity.

"All Non-Muslims Have Diseased Hearts"

In the hearts of non-Muslims is a disease, and Allah has increased their disease, and grievous is the penalty they will incur, because they are false.
(Koran 2:8-10)
22 posted on 03/02/2003 2:04:09 PM PST by majordivit
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To: x
Excellent, intriguing article, but it doesn't take China into account.

As per my earlier model, China falls in with the Atheists. You know, godless Communists and all that...

23 posted on 03/02/2003 2:05:07 PM PST by ez ("Stable and free nations do not breed ... ideologies of murder."- GWB)
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To: Torie
Secular humanism and capitalism are not mutually exclusive.

Of course not, one is a political view and the other an economic system.

This "unified world theory" is not political or economic, but religious, consisting of the three elements listed, Islam, Judeo-Christianity, and Atheism.

24 posted on 03/02/2003 2:08:41 PM PST by ez ("Stable and free nations do not breed ... ideologies of murder."- GWB)
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To: sd-joe
"Christianity may be spreading in many areas, but Chrisianity itself is very split in its socio-economic beliefs and support. I have been stunned by some of the statements coming from the pope and the vatican lately."

Just look in this country at how the black population (90+%) blindly follows the Democratic Socialists lead, whether they be Christian or not. In fact they criticize any who do not buy into the system "Uncle Tom's", oblivious to the fact that the definition much nearly in fact fits themselves as faceles tools of the masters of their fate i.e. Hillary et al.

25 posted on 03/02/2003 2:09:02 PM PST by intolerancewillNOTbetolerated
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To: x
I believe the article is good to, as far as it goes. My contention is that there are only two sides, world socialism and world capitalism. Socialism favors dictators and therefore islam has sided with it. Capitalism and democracy go together, and are sweeping the world. If socialism does not do something soon they will lose
26 posted on 03/02/2003 2:09:39 PM PST by KC_for_Freedom
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To: sd-joe; LenS
This is the reason about one million non-Muslim Sudanese have been killed in the last 15 years --

First, fellas, this figure is only half of what the estimates are. That's his first mistake.

The second mistake is that Christianity is on the rise, ahead of Islam and continues to outdistance it. Fox News did a segment on the statistics on 1/3/2003. Islam is NOT the fastest growing religion. By 2025 Christianity will have reached a point where Islam will never be able to catch up.

One fact the author seems to miss is that oppressive regimes, including Islamic regimes, hold most of their "converts" by force. It is illegal to be anything except Islam, for example. Not so with Christianity and democracy. You are still free to be a pagan or communist or socialist here last time I checked. Remember the "Gates test?" Open the gates of the US and which way do people go? Into the country. Open the gates of an Islamic or communist country and which way to the people go? Out as fast as they can.

Our biggest worry at this moment is not any idealogical threat; it is offering our soverignty to the UN. The second biggest threat is internal decay.

27 posted on 03/02/2003 2:10:11 PM PST by Dataman
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To: ez
Then why are the words "socialism" and "secularism" Siamese twins in the article?
28 posted on 03/02/2003 2:12:18 PM PST by Torie
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To: Porterville
"Yeah, but we got the weapons."

Clinton did his best to give them away, especially to China.

We may not be the only ones to have the weapons after a while. Clinton to China, China to N Korea, N Korea to Iraq, Iraq to terrorists. Bang.

29 posted on 03/02/2003 2:13:11 PM PST by sd-joe
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To: Porterville
"Finally, what this article is mistaking for the truth is the residue of the past"<.i>

Poetic statements, but I think wishfull thinking.

30 posted on 03/02/2003 2:14:54 PM PST by sd-joe
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To: yonif
WOW.... It hits the nail of the head. Squarely and profoundly.

I've spoken of the current situation as an ideological two-front war.

Freedom vs. Socialism vs. Medievalism.
31 posted on 03/02/2003 2:17:21 PM PST by WOSG (Liberate Iraq!!)
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To: Torie
Then why are the words "socialism" and "secularism" Siamese twins in the article?

Because this faction of the trichotomy has secularism (atheism) as their religion and socialism as their form of government. I fall back on the "godless communists" cliche'.

32 posted on 03/02/2003 2:17:52 PM PST by ez ("Stable and free nations do not breed ... ideologies of murder."- GWB)
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To: wtc911
GLOBAL CALIPHATE

As I understand this, it is the effort of Islam to establish a "new world order" so to speak, based on Islam and the laws of Islam.

This is exactly what Dennis Prager is saying. Islam is attempting to rule the world. European socialism is attempting to rule the world. Then there is the good ol USA. We are good, but it sure is lonely.
33 posted on 03/02/2003 2:18:32 PM PST by sd-joe
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To: ez
The real issue is the socialist/egalitarian ethic. not all athiests are socialists, and not all socialists are athiest, but the reall issue and problem is Socialism and its related "isms" (just hang around campus and you'll know the names).

34 posted on 03/02/2003 2:18:45 PM PST by WOSG (Liberate Iraq!!)
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To: Dataman
Christianity might be on the raise, but it does not mean the American form of Capitalism is.
35 posted on 03/02/2003 2:19:03 PM PST by yonif
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To: yonif; Cacique
If this is true, all one has to do is come to Fifth Avenue in Bay Ridge, Brooklyn to see the future. If you think that these people care about assimilating (or at least "peacefully coxisting" a la the Mennonites or Hasidim) one visit or brief conversation will make you reconsider.
36 posted on 03/02/2003 2:19:52 PM PST by Clemenza (East side, West side, all around the town. Tripping the light fantastic on the sidewalks of New York)
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To: ez
I see. Well I predict that secular capitalism will triumph and the ersatz tricotomy to the showers.
37 posted on 03/02/2003 2:20:01 PM PST by Torie
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To: sd-joe
"European socialism is attempting to rule the world. Then there is the good ol USA. "

This is exactly what the French/German opposition on Iraq is about. They cannot abide a USA version of the world order using the UN. They only want the UN perverted to the end that they want... they were happy with Clinton, since he was bending US policies to convert our country to Euro socialism and put us under the UN thumb.
38 posted on 03/02/2003 2:20:40 PM PST by WOSG (Liberate Iraq!!)
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To: majordivit
Western Europe has become more ammoral than they were prior to the advent of Christianity.

True. Say what you will about the old Pagan faiths, but at least they provided a semblence of morality and a foundation upon which to intellectually and morally combat invaders. The moral vacillators in Western Europe would go without a whimper in the face of a comprehensive Jihad.

39 posted on 03/02/2003 2:24:53 PM PST by Clemenza (East side, West side, all around the town. Tripping the light fantastic on the sidewalks of New York)
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To: sd-joe
Then there is the good ol USA. We are good, but it sure is lonely.

Take heart. It's ALWAYS lonely at the top!

40 posted on 03/02/2003 2:26:10 PM PST by Clemenza (East side, West side, all around the town. Tripping the light fantastic on the sidewalks of New York)
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