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Idiot GOP Senate Set to Shaft Estrada?
rushlimbaugh ^ | 2/28/2003 | rushlimbaugh

Posted on 02/28/2003 5:57:59 PM PST by TLBSHOW

I am more frosted at the Democrats for what they're doing to the Constitution vis-à-vis Miguel Estrada's than I am over the anti-war movement. Fox News reported that the GOP planned to call for a cloture vote on Estrada next week knowing they'd lose it. That would effectively amend the Constitution - illegally - to read that you need 60 votes instead of 51 to get a judicial nomination through.

Happily, it turns out the GOP isn't going to call such a vote. The offices of Senators Santorum and Hatch rang up my office on Friday, and said that the Fox story is not accurate. There will be no cloture vote. Hooray! If these Democrats want to filibuster the first Hispanic nominee to the D.C. Circuit Court, let them do it! I know they say there are new rules making a filibuster harder, but so what? And don't tell me that it's not "practical" anymore, because people have to go to the bathroom. That's nothing new.

Force them to get out there and filibuster this eminently qualified man, as rated unanimously by the American Bar Association. Miguel Estrada is just a name to us, but his life is being destroyed here. It's not because he's unqualified; it's because Democrats don't like how he might think. Read George Will's column. Chuck Schumer didn't bother to ask Estrada a single question. He claims not to know any less qualified judge, when in fact he knows less qualified judges who went to the Supreme Court! Just this week, President Bush pledged to stand by Estrada until he was sworn in. We know no other nominee has been asked to give nor should give opinions on issues that may come before the court. Their job is to apply the law, not to make law or let their opinions get in the way of rulings.

These senators have to back Bush and Estrada up. The Democrat attitude is, "We ran Washington for 40 years up until 1994, and Bush is illegitimate despite what the Constitution says about the Electoral College, so he has no right to appoint anyone." These people are treating the Constitution like toilet paper. Calling a cloture vote would overturn more than two centuries of Senate precedent and rewrite the constitutional definition of "advise and consent." We cannot allow that to happen. You have to care about this, folks!

These people aren't Democrats or liberals. They don't believe in the Constitution. They don't believe in individual rights, as affirmed in the 9th Amendment; in sharing power with the states, as described in the 10th Amendment; in free political speech protected in the 1st Amendment and shredded in campaign finance reform. They don't support the right to bear arms provided for in the 2nd Amendment. They don't respect private property rights protected by the 5th Amendment! If there's a blade of grass in the backyard, they call it "wetlands" and take it away! This assault must stop.

Listen to Rush...

(...react to the Fox News story, and reject the notion of a cloture vote by the GOP) (...demand Democrats be made to pay a price for shredding the Constitution)

Read More of Rush's Estrada Coverage… (Rush On A Roll: Anatomy of a Smear) (Rush On A Roll: Want Estrada? Declare Linda Daschle DOA) (The Limbaugh Library: Ken Starr Tips Us Off on Estrada) (EIB A-B: Estrada Qualifications Blow Away Breyer and Ginsburg)

Read the Questionable Fox News Article...

(FoxNews: Republicans Seek to End Debate on Estrada)

Read the George Will Column on Estrada...

(Washington Post: Coup Against the Constitution - George F. Will)


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: constitution; estradafilibuster; filibuster; gop; rushlimbaugh; senatedemocrats
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To: TLBSHOW
In due course that is what Sen. Frist may well do. Do you know that he won't? Show us where he won't? Got a link..... What makes you think he should do that right now. Do you know what he has in mind for the duration? I doubt it? If so why not tell us.

Did Rush say the Fox story was wrong? Can you answer that simple question? Huh.....


Happily, it turns out the GOP isn't going to call such a vote. The offices of Senators Santorum and Hatch rang up my office on Friday, and said that the Fox story is not accurate. There will be no cloture vote. Hooray!

WHOOPS


401 posted on 03/01/2003 2:49:05 PM PST by deport (Did the TURNIP TRUCK pass by last night?..........)
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To: TLBSHOW
Fox news wrote it and printed it so until they say its wrong its right.

Boy, you are now continuing to call Rush Limbaugh a liar, you do realize that, don't you?

402 posted on 03/01/2003 2:49:09 PM PST by Howlin
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To: PhiKapMom
I find it interesting that Todd is now willing to call Rush a liar to make himself look right, don't you?
403 posted on 03/01/2003 2:50:38 PM PST by Howlin
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To: TLBSHOW
Fox news wrote it and printed it so until they say its wrong its right.


Then Rush is wrong..... glad to see you admit that..... Love it when you finally step up to the plate.... so sad it takes you so long to step up. Are you always this slow?
404 posted on 03/01/2003 2:50:53 PM PST by deport (Did the TURNIP TRUCK pass by last night?..........)
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To: TLBSHOW
My gosh, lightning has struck twice:

Frist must make them conduct the filibuster Strom Thurmond-style. Make the Democrats take to the floor. Day and night, a nonstop filibuster. Frist should make the filibuster the only item on the Senate agenda, allowing no other business to take place until Estrada gets an up or down vote on the Senate floor.

I agree with this too, you are making real progress hear (just don't mention R--H or L--T again and you might make it. If you would stay away from all four-letter surnames in your posts you might be cured for good).

Think of it as Defensive Posting.

405 posted on 03/01/2003 2:50:54 PM PST by RobFromGa (Real Americans Support Our Soldiers 100%)
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To: TLBSHOW
Will you admit that Fox changed the first paragraphs of their story?

Actually with Fox not saying the story is wrong, then they should not have changed the first paragraphs. A good journalist admits when they made a mistake -- Fox has not admitted that Garrett made a mistake in saying it was an historic vote to end a filibuster.

If they won't correct that, then what makes me think the rest of the story is right!

Fox never is WRONG is what I take away from your statements but Senator Frist is always wrong!
406 posted on 03/01/2003 2:51:03 PM PST by PhiKapMom (Bush/Cheney 2004)
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To: PhiKapMom
Everything you have reported re: Thursday night in the Senate is correct. I also was watching. There was no cloture vote filed.

Your reporting re: the 48 hours required for filing a cloture vote is also correct.

I, unlike you, did not know WHAT to make of the Fox report and went to bed thinking I had missed something while taking a 'nature' break. I was relieved (ewwww) to learn the next morning that the events as reported by Fox, were false.

You have done an excellent job of reporting the events as they occurred, AND your excellent analysis on the Thursday night thread re: Fox (I went back and read the tailend of the thread)was RIGHT on.
407 posted on 03/01/2003 2:51:06 PM PST by justshe (FREE MIGUEL !)
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To: TLBSHOW
A Frist interview must be on tape.........

I said at least twice now that I saw Sen. Frist myself. It was on Fox. Yes, there's a tape. And on it he pledges to get Estrada confirmed.

You seem intent on ignoring this information.

408 posted on 03/01/2003 2:51:48 PM PST by cyncooper (God Be With President Bush)
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To: Howlin
Boy, you are now continuing to call Rush Limbaugh a liar, you do realize that, don't you?


Yes he is, but at least he's stepped up to the plate and so said. Don't you like it when he admits one of his hero's has made a mistake......

Trunip trucks are everywhere
409 posted on 03/01/2003 2:52:27 PM PST by deport (Did the TURNIP TRUCK pass by last night?..........)
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To: deport
and no Rush did not say it was wrong, he said Santorum and Hatch office called and told him the Fox story is not accurate.

Fox is standing by the story or can you link me to where Fox said it was a wrong story besides the date that the vote may take place that Frist told them in the interview.

I have waited all day for that link from you. Or is Fox now a bad source? LOL
410 posted on 03/01/2003 2:53:12 PM PST by TLBSHOW (God Speed as Angels trending upward dare to fly Tribute to the Risk Takers)
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To: Howlin
I sure do -- Fox is right and Rush is wrong! That is exactly what he is saying!

This whole deal is ludicrous -- the original Fox story was proven wrong in the first three paragraphs not to mention the rest!

But TLB knows more than Rush, Sen Frist, Sen Hatch, Sen Santorum, and all of us Freepers that stayed up until after 2:00 in the morning following the debate and speeches by Senator Sessions, Senator Graham of SC, and then Senator Frist!
411 posted on 03/01/2003 2:53:20 PM PST by PhiKapMom (Bush/Cheney 2004)
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To: TLBSHOW; M. Thatcher
I want to make sure the Rush show knows you're calling him a liar.
412 posted on 03/01/2003 2:54:46 PM PST by Howlin
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To: justshe
This is so frustrating! I saw the Sen Frist interview and he was never going to cave.

Major Garrett writes a bad article and now TLBSHOW takes it as the truth! Even when Rush talks about the Fox article being wrong, TLB says Rush is wrong!

Have never met such a hard headed person on here that even when presented with facts, ignores them!

Makes me want to scream! If the agenda was to be irritating, it has succeeded!
413 posted on 03/01/2003 2:57:57 PM PST by PhiKapMom (Bush/Cheney 2004)
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To: TLBSHOW
the Fox story is not accurate.
WHOOPS........ what does that mean?????????? that it is correct? gosh do you have a dictionary....

Main Entry: ac·cu·rate
Pronunciation: 'a-ky&-r&t, 'a-k(&-)r&t
Function: adjective
Etymology: Latin accuratus, from past participle of accurare to take care of, from ad- + cura care
Date: 1596
1 : free from error especially as the result of care <an accurate diagnosis>
2 : conforming exactly to truth or to a standard : EXACT <providing accurate color>
3 : able to give an accurate result <an accurate gauge>
synonym see CORRECT

414 posted on 03/01/2003 2:58:06 PM PST by deport (Did the TURNIP TRUCK pass by last night?..........)
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To: TLBSHOW
Is the Fox article on their site the original article they put up that Rush used?
415 posted on 03/01/2003 2:58:39 PM PST by PhiKapMom (Bush/Cheney 2004)
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To: Howlin
Hmmm...
416 posted on 03/01/2003 2:59:53 PM PST by Diddle E. Squat
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To: PhiKapMom; Howlin; justshe; TLBSHOW; deport; All
But there were negative quotes from Hatch, Santorum, and Frist in that same Fox article that did concede that Estrada defeat was possible. I remember that, and that bothered me at the time and I posted on it.

I couldn't reconcile that with President Bush's commitment to Estrada conformation earlier. I assumed it was to lull the Dems into a false sense of security. I assume they are continuing to develop strategy.

The big wildcard, and here's what I think is going on: Bush knows when Gulf War 2 begins, we don't. Obviously, to me at least, you don't run a filibuster during a War. I would expect the GOP to force them to begin a filibuster shortly before the beginning of the initial attack.

To continue the filibuster after an attack would then be very UNPATRIOTIC since it is so political in nature.

417 posted on 03/01/2003 3:01:45 PM PST by RobFromGa (Real Americans Support Our Soldiers 100%)
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To: aristeides
If TLBSHOW is right in what he surmises in #354, Garrett and FoxNews may not have been mistaken in their report.

Since I have demonstrated, using the National Review, that no vote was ever scheduled, no cave ever contemplated, plus cited numerous Senators and the President prior to Rush's show airing, TLBSHOW's contention has been PROVED demonstrably false. Yet he persists in repeating himself over and over and over in the face of proof positive of numerous errors in the Fox story. And the timing of my and others' citations dating to before Rush opined and could have been an influence on the course of events.

Frankly, I am shocked at Rush staking his opinion on one article. As I say again, most of us used MULTIPLE sources that all point to these undeniable truths: No vote on cloture was scheduled, and certainly no cave by the Republicans was in the works.

418 posted on 03/01/2003 3:02:30 PM PST by cyncooper (God Be With President Bush)
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To: TLBSHOW
You have painted yourself into a corner. Because you don't know how to get out of this corner, you have decided to continue on your already disproven course. You are a truly sad and ridiculous person.
419 posted on 03/01/2003 3:03:01 PM PST by Wait4Truth (God Bless our President!)
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To: Howlin
I want to make sure the Rush show knows you're calling him a liar.

Oh, I am sure that Rush has been unable to sleep for days already. Frist and Bush too for that matter. They told me themselves this morning when we jogged together.

420 posted on 03/01/2003 3:03:02 PM PST by RobFromGa (Real Americans Support Our Soldiers 100%)
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