Posted on 02/26/2003 7:19:40 AM PST by Nix 2
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If there is an absolute standard of morality, then there must be a God. Disagree? Consider the alternative. |
God's existence has direct bearing on how we view morality. As Dostoyevsky so famously put it, "Without God, everything is permitted."
At first glance, this statement may not make sense. Everything is permitted? Can't there be a morality without an infinite God?
Perhaps some of the confusion is due to a murky definition of morality we owe to moral relativism. Moral relativism maintains that there is no objective standard of right and wrong existing separate and independent from humanity. The creation of moral principles stems only from within a person, not as a distinct, detached reality. Each person is the source and definer of his or her subjective ethical code, and each has equal power and authority to define morality the way he or she sees fit.
Random acts of cruelty may not be your cup of tea, but who says your standards are for everyone? | |
The consequences of moral relativism are far-reaching. Since all moral issues are subjective, right and wrong are reduced to matters of opinion and personal taste. Without a binding, objective standard of morality that sticks whether one likes it or not, a person can do whatever he feels like by choosing to label any behavior he personally enjoys as "good." Adultery, embezzlement, and random acts of cruelty may not be your cup of tea -- but why should that stop someone from taking pleasure in them if that is what they enjoy.
Is having an intimate relationship with a 12-year-old objectively wrong just because you don't like it?
Perhaps murder makes a serial killer feel powerful and alive. A moral relativist can say he finds murder disgusting, but that does not make it wrong -- only distasteful. Hannibal, the Cannibal, is entitled to his own preferences even if they are unusual and repugnant to most.
Popularity has nothing to do with determining absolute morality; it just makes it commonplace, like the color navy.
"But this killer is hurting others!" True. But in a world where everything is subjective, hurting an innocent person is merely distasteful to some, like eating chocolate ice cream with lasagna. Just because we may not like it doesn't make it evil. Evil? By whose standard? No one's subjective opinion is more authoritative than another's. INCONSISTENT VALUES
Although many people may profess to subscribe to moral relativism, it is very rare to find a consistent moral relativist. Just about everyone believes in some absolute truths. That absolute truth may only be that it is wrong to hurt others, or that there are no absolutes. The point is that just about everyone is convinced that there is some form of absolute truth, whatever that truth may be. Most of us, it seems, are not moral relativists.
Bertrand Russell wrote:
I cannot see how to refute the arguments for the subjectivity of ethical values but I find myself incapable of believing that all that is wrong with wanton cruelty is that I don't like it.
Not too many of us believe that killing an innocent person is just a matter of taste that can change according to whim. Most of us think it is an act that is intrinsically wrong, regardless of what anyone thinks. According to this view, the standard of morality is an unchangeable reality that transcends humanity, not subject to our approval. THE INFINITE SOURCE
An absolute standard of morality can only stem from an infinite source. Why is that?
When we describe murder as being immoral, we do not mean it is wrong just for now, with the possibility of it becoming "right" some time in the future. Absolute means unchangeable, not unchanging.
What's the difference?
My dislike for olives is unchanging. I'll never start liking them. That doesn't mean it is impossible for my taste to change, even though it's highly unlikely. Since it could change, it is not absolute. It is changeable.
The term "absolute" means without the ability to change. It is utterly permanent, unchangeable.
Think of something absolute. Take for example an icon of permanence and stability -- the Rock of Gibraltar. "Get a piece of the rock" -- it lasts forever!
But does it really? Is it absolute?
No. It is undergoing change every second. It is getting older, it is eroding.
The nature of absolute is a bit tricky to grasp because we find ourselves running into the same problem of our finite selves attempting to perceive the infinite, a topic we have discussed in a previous article in this series. Everything that exists within time undergoes change. That's what time is -- a measurement of change. In Hebrew, shanah means "year," sharing the same root shinah, "change."
If everything in the finite universe is undergoing change, where can we find the quality of absolute? | |
If everything in the finite universe is undergoing change -- since it exists within time -- where can we find the quality of absolute?
Its source cannot be in time, which is constantly undergoing change. It must be beyond time, in the infinite dimension. Only God, the infinite being that exists beyond time, is absolute and unchangeable.
'I am God, I do not change.' (Malachi 3:6)
Therefore an absolute standard of morality can exist only if it stems from an infinite dimension -- a realm that is eternal, beyond time, with no beginning and no end. THE DEATH OF EDUCATION
In addition to the demise of morality, moral relativism inevitably leads to the death of education and genuine open-mindedness. The thirst for real learning comes from the recognition that the truth is out there waiting to be discovered -- and I am all the more impoverished with its absence.
Professor Alan Bloom writes in his book "The Closing of the American Mind,"
It is the rarest of occurrences to find a youngster who has been infused by this [liberal arts] education with a longing to know all about China or the Romans or the Jews.
All to the contrary. There is an indifference to such things, for relativism has extinguished the real motive of education, the search for the good life...
...out there in the rest of the world is a drab diversity that teaches only that values are relative, whereas here we can create all the life-styles we want. Our openness means we do not need others. Thus what is advertised as a great opening is a great closing. No longer is there a hope that there are great wise men in other places and times who can reveal the truth about life...
If everything is relative, then it makes no difference what anyone thinks. Ideas no longer matter. With no absolute standard of right and wrong or truth and falsehood, the pursuit of wisdom becomes nonsensical. What are we searching for? If no idea is more valid than another, there is no purpose in re-evaluating one's belief system and being open to exploring new concepts -- since there is no possibility of ever being wrong.
A common argument often heard for supporting relativism is that in the world at large we see a plethora of differing positions on a wide range of moral issues. Try to find one issue all cultures universally agree to!
Professor Bloom addresses this contention:
History and the study of cultures do not teach or prove that values or cultures are relative ... the fact that there have been different opinions about good and bad in different times and places in no way proves that none is true or superior to others. To say that it does so prove is as absurd as to say that the diversity of points of view expressed in a college bull session proves there is no truth ... the natural reaction is to try to resolve the difference, to examine the claims and reasons for each opinion.
Only the unhistorical and inhuman belief that opinions are held for no reason would prevent the undertaking of such an exciting activity. THE NATURE OF DEBATE
The plethora of disagreements demonstrates exactly the opposite point. If everything is relative, what on earth are we arguing about?
Imagine walking down the street and you hear a ferocious argument taking place behind a door. People are yelling at each other in a fit of rage. You ask a bystander what the commotion is all about. He tells you this is a Ben & Jerry's ice cream store and they're fighting over what is the best flavor of ice cream.
Impossible.
Heated debates occur only because we believe there are right and wrong positions. | |
Real debates and disagreements occur only because we believe there are right and wrong positions, not mere preferences of flavors. Think of a time you experienced moral outrage. The force behind that anger is the conviction that your position is the correct one. Matters of preference, like music and interior design, do not provoke moral outrage.
What provokes our moral outrage? Injustice? Cruelty? Oppression? There is the sense that an absolute standard of morality is being violated, an objective standard that transcends humanity, that stems from an infinite and absolute Being.
We had eight years of Clinton.
Yes, in fact I can.
(and am)
So what are your 'absolute morals'? Where did you derive them from? More importantly, why should I care a hoot about your so called "absolute" morals? Who are you to set the standard of morality??????????
LOL, ok, you win. I feel so bad because your sarcastic pathos went without recogintion. These wonderful talents by so many freepers are just lost on us lowly posters.
On the other hand, maybe you really meant all that dumb crap! LOL
What people do and what their conscience tells them is right or wrong are two different things. Criminals do know that what they are doing is wrong. Not even Hitler went around saying 'I am real proud of going around murdering 6 million Jews'.
So does recognizing reality and making all the right choices.
Yes indeed. The Christian religion tells us that all human life is valuable and that every man is equal in the eyes of God. Without such a basis, it is hard to make a convincing argument for any kind of morals.
God loves us, so we must be lovable.
If we're NOT lovable, then why would God love us?
We must be worth something, if God loves us.
In fact, that's our only REAL worth.
The source of ALL our worth is in the fact that God loves us.Often, you hear Protestants say: "It was really Protestantism that is the root of democracy. If it weren't for Protestantism, we wouldn't HAVE democracy, because they question authority, which allowed the secular world to grow up, and that allowed the separation of Church and state, so that you don't have the Church running society. So if it weren't for Protestantism, we wouldn't have democracy."
Protestants say that. It's one of the points they seem to like to make. I don't agree with that one minute, because the whole idea of democracy is that each individual human being has worth and value. Why give everybody the vote if everybody doesn't have some kind of value? If we're all a bunch of serfs that are just to be ordered around, or slaughtered in battle, to keep the ruling class in position, or to make them richer, why have a democracy?
Just in the very idea of human rights: God endowed every one of us with the rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. That's really fundamental to our Constitution. Well, where does that idea come from, the idea that each human being has value? What a difference from the ancient worlds' ideas! Where did that come from? Well, it came from Christianity; it came from religion. Because God loves us, God came down and took on a human form, and died a horrible death, for us! That means we are something. We have some value, that we can't be just slaughtered, we can't just be enslaved. That's the whole basis of HUMAN RIGHTS. Without Jesus Christ, there would not be democracy as we understand it.
Of course, the Greeks had democracy in Athens, but it was limited: not for women, not for slaves. I think at some point, it was just for property owners. It wasn't for everybody. This idea that every single human being has worth and value, and you cannot go out and kill them, or throw them into jail and torture them: that makes sense to us. We just sort of say: "Well, of course. Obviously." That's because we live in a Christian culture. We grew up in it, and so we take it for granted. But if it weren't for Christianity, the people who devised the idea of democracy would not have had anything to build on. That idea would have just died.
Catholicism was the religion for 1500 years. Very deeply imbedded in the whole idea of Catholicism is the idea that Jesus died for us, and that gives us our worth, the fact that God loves us. If you look at the incredible humanitarian behavior of Catholic clergymen and religious nuns and monks over the centuries, and centuries, and centuries: that says something. Setting up hospitals for the poor: it was Catholics who did that. Setting up schools for the poor: it was a priest who came up with that idea, which was very radical for its time.
You can see this idea of Christianity giving the lowest people a sense of worth, giving EVERYBODY a sense of worth that they never had before, and the fact that Christianity has first appealed to the very poorest. Slaves were the first people who really believed in Christianity, because instead of being NOTHING, they were now SOMETHING.
The idea that God endowed us is not really fundamental, CJ.
The fundamental, revolutionary concept was that individual rights are inalienable and must be protected from governmental infringements by a system of limited power, checks & balances.
One such 'check' was to keep separate church & state.
Well, where does that idea come from, the idea that each human being has value?
From the ancient worlds' ideas, - the Greeks had democracy in Athens, - the Romans a Republic, the Norsemen their Danelaw. Even the Five Tribes had a form of democracy.
but it was limited: not for women, not for slaves. I think at some point, it was just for property owners. It wasn't for everybody. This idea that every single human being has worth and value, and you cannot go out and kill them, or throw them into jail and torture them: that makes sense to us. We just sort of say: "Well, of course. Obviously." That's because we live in a Christian culture. We grew up in it, and so we take it for granted. But if it weren't for Christianity, the people who devised the idea of democracy would not have had anything to build on. That idea would have just died.
The historical record does not really support your theory.
By and large, Christianity vigerously supported the autocratic form of states & kingdoms.
The United States was the first government that rejected such governmental establishments of religions, and even specified that religious tests cannot be required to hold office.
Our founders had their fill of state/religious theocracy.
The problem is, by our terminology of "a pre-existing moral order", we are stacking the deck against the Atheist by deliberately equating the ideas of "Transcendent" and "Absolute".
They Atheist may well not agree that the Law of Gravity is Transcendent (established by a Pre-existent Intelligent Design). But they would agree that it is absolute (i.e., that any Breach thereof is attended by painful Consequences).
Likewise, the Atheist may not admit that the Moral Law is Transcendent (that is, established by an All-Powerful God). But unless we are "stacking the deck" by equating the Transcendent with the Absolute, I would not deny that that Atheist is able to apprehend that the Moral Law is Absolute (admitting of no exceptions, and that any Breach is attended by painful Consequences). And I do not deny that, like unto Physical Law, the Atheist is capable of apprehending this natural Fact by Scientific Observation and Experimentation.
I still don't understand how you square Calvinist Christianity with Randian libertarianism. First, you have the denial of free will. Then you have Calvin's Geneva, which is a pretty awful example for a 'live and let live' society...
"Consent of the Governed" does not mean Majoritarian Tyranny.
"Consent of the Governed" means EACH AND EVERY ONE.
Since the Days of the Prophet Moses, NEVER in the History of the World had there been a Republic like Calvin's Geneva, and NEVER has there been a Republic since.
Even an Atheist Libertarian such as OWK will admit the Right of Free Association, and the Right of Free Covenant.
And though you might not have Voted for the Ordinances of Geneva, you cannot DENY the Right of the Free Citizens of Geneva to UNANIMOUSLY vote such Ordinances for themselves... lest you deny the Right of Free Association, and the Right of Contract. They were 20,000 citizens, perfectly free, and masters of their own town. The Genevese people were absolutely sovereign; they knew no other limit to their legislative power than their own will, and this people voted the ordinances from the first chapter to the last.
No Man of any Conscience can possibly lay a charge against Calvin's Geneva.
Since the Days of the Prophet Moses, NEVER has there been a Republic such as this.
NEVER has there been a Republic founded upon the Legal Foundation that "ALL the People shall say, Amen."
NEVER has there been a Republic which was predicated upon the Principle that "Consent of the Governed" means EACH AND EVERY ONE.
THAT is the Heritage of Calvin's Geneva.
Every good and useful thing in the whole history of Human Liberty and Republican Governance ever since, has grown from this Mosaic-Calvinist Root.
"Consent of the Governed" means EACH AND EVERY ONE.
That is the Political heritage of John Calvin.
That is the Political heritage of Calvin's Geneva.
And in terms of Political Application, that is the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
I know the truth and the truth has set me free. As far as people go I'm a pretty good guy by nature. However, I still fall far short of God's perfection. I still suffer from occasional bouts of greed and envy, selfishness and lust. Like all mankind I was born in sin and continued in it. If not for the saving power of Jesus Christ in my life I would truly be a lost cause. God in His mercy has saved me and made me better, however, that still doesn't change the fact that by nature I, like you and all other men, am evil.
Some for the glories of this world,
And some sigh for the prphet's paradise to come.
Ah...Take the cash and let the credit go,
Nor heed the rumble of some distant drum.
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